I hope you mean vapor, not the trademark Steam, because i don' use this s**t.
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Re: Python vs Java
I'm not advocating the use of C# because it is Microsoft, but because it is a good stepping stone and useful in the Windows environment. C# can still be made to work in other systems if you can find the right tools. In the gaming industry, for example (which is predominantly Windows in both PC-gaming and development), it's incredibly useful. Most programmers coming from this community will likely be headed in that direction.
I'd prefer to be using C++, but C# is similar enough and it's something I'm familiar with. It's also more useful to an industry employer than PERL or RUBY, which are each used about half as much as C#. PHP is the most popular for employability at the moment, but that's just web development. JavaScript's popularity increased rapidly when Google created their V8 compiler, and Objective-C went on the rise with the release of the iPhone and iPad, but the juggernauts of desktop programming are C (which the Unix shell is written in) and C++ - both of these are older and more complex than C# but are also its predecessors, making C# a very good place to start from.
Unrelated but interesting; COBOL and FORTRAN (both nearing their 60s) are in use far more than people realise.
I'd prefer to be using C++, but C# is similar enough and it's something I'm familiar with. It's also more useful to an industry employer than PERL or RUBY, which are each used about half as much as C#. PHP is the most popular for employability at the moment, but that's just web development. JavaScript's popularity increased rapidly when Google created their V8 compiler, and Objective-C went on the rise with the release of the iPhone and iPad, but the juggernauts of desktop programming are C (which the Unix shell is written in) and C++ - both of these are older and more complex than C# but are also its predecessors, making C# a very good place to start from.
Unrelated but interesting; COBOL and FORTRAN (both nearing their 60s) are in use far more than people realise.
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Re: Python vs Java
I see. but I just want something as open source as possible so.
But God willing I want to start out small.
But God willing I want to start out small.
Re: Python vs Java
Ok so, like on the private discussion we had on liberty and internet, i will ignore you on what you had say on C sharp.
Same for some thing you say about others programming language.
I just will point one of your lies: "PHP is the most popular for employability at the moment, but that's just web development"
NO, PHP is not just for web.
1-You can use PHP/HTML for graphic local programs as well.
and 2- like you apparently ignore it, you can use PHP without HTTP, it's an independant language/processus, and i used it without HTTP server sometimes.
EDIT: ah yes i forget: PHP was popular before today, and he was published in 1994! It's others web language who are new (and often false language because use of others, mixed)
Same for some thing you say about others programming language.
I just will point one of your lies: "PHP is the most popular for employability at the moment, but that's just web development"
NO, PHP is not just for web.
1-You can use PHP/HTML for graphic local programs as well.
and 2- like you apparently ignore it, you can use PHP without HTTP, it's an independant language/processus, and i used it without HTTP server sometimes.
EDIT: ah yes i forget: PHP was popular before today, and he was published in 1994! It's others web language who are new (and often false language because use of others, mixed)
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Re: Python vs Java
Ruby is free, C/C++ too.XxHAMADEHxX wrote:I see. but I just want something as open source as possible so.
But God willing I want to start out small.
I am not sure of that but: All programming language are open, it's just the tool you use with it who have licences.
EDIT: I confirm that, all language are free, so what we call open source language are language who start with an open interprter (like Ruby and not like all Krosoft languages)
Re: Python vs Java
Care to explain *why* you will ignore me? You can't cherrypick in a discussion like that, it doesn't work and hurts your argument's integrity. Feel free to post sections of the PMs.Vassili wrote:Ok so, like on the private discussion we had on liberty and internet, i will ignore you on what you had say on C sharp.
Same for some thing you say about others programming language.
PHP is a server-side language. It was created for and exists for the sole purpose of web development; anything else you can do with it is unintended and a happy coincidence. I didn't say it couldn't be used elsewhere, I said it was only popular for employability in web development. Which, as it happens, is true. These are not lies, Vas; this is programming that takes two years to learn.Vassili wrote:I just will point one of your lies: "PHP is the most popular for employability at the moment, but that's just web development"
NO, PHP is not just for web.
1-You can use PHP/HTML for graphic local programs as well.
and 2- like you apparently ignore it, you can use PHP without HTTP, it's an independant language/processus, and i used it without HTTP server sometimes.
PHP was published in '95, not '94. It developed from C++ and Java, amongst others. There are other web languages that are newer, but few directly based on PHP due to its licensing. (most, like HTML and SQL, work with it). Web servers today mostly use HTML, MySQL and PHP.Vassili wrote:EDIT: ah yes i forget: PHP was popular before today, and he was published in 1994! It's others web language who are new (and often false language because use of others, mixed)
I have no idea what that last bit in the parentheses means; I assume you're trying to say that it's not a proper language if it's developed from others. If that were the case then we'd all still be writing in Assembly.
MonoDevelop - open-source C# IDE. There's also MonoGame for XNA and #Develop for VB and C#. The former two both run on Mac and Linux too.Vassili wrote:EDIT: I confirm that, all language are free, so what we call open source language are language who start with an open interprter (like Ruby and not like all Krosoft languages)
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Re: Python vs Java
Ok every new post of you make me feel bad to post translation on a wiki owned by you, it's pure time lose.
Re: Python vs Java
The wiki isn't owned by me. It's a wiki. It doesn't have an owner. I look after it because I am amongst those with the widest knowledge of the story universe and nobody else seemed interested. I'm not sure how my views on the use of technology (these aren't even that actually, they're facts that I've double-checked with research) matter with regards to the wiki anyway. I can close it if you'd prefer; an inactive translation effort is worse than none at all.
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Re: Python vs Java
You are the administrator of the wiki, i know you are not the real owner, it was one subject of the private discussion, non-internet wiki.
Re: Python vs Java
Vassili, stop threatening people who don't agree with you. Threatening to not translate the wiki just like that? TOo bad we don't care.
Oh, and for anyone wondering, here is his most recent tirade calling me "Sly2" because I don't agree with him. I am not going to have a french version of BNG galavanting around. I'm just going to head this crap off before it becomes a problem.
[00:27:08] *** znsw (~znsw@cpe-66-108-42-175.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #Bz2
[00:27:10] <znsw> hi
[00:27:16] <Vassili> hello
[00:27:25] <znsw> awesome everyone still here
[00:27:35] <Vassili> no
[00:27:36] <znsw> but i see almost no one playing
[00:27:38] <Vassili> the others sleep
[00:27:41] <znsw> ohhhh
[00:27:44] <Vassili> me i often play
[00:27:48] <znsw> that explains everything
[00:28:06] <Vassili> yes me too i had point the fact they are always 10 here and never answer/play
[00:28:12] <Vassili> they don't like it
[00:28:15] <znsw> cool cant host a game idk why not but i still feel like playing
[00:28:22] <znsw> they dont like playing the game
[00:28:23] <znsw> ?
[00:28:41] <Vassili> they don't like when somebody say they are still here for nothing
[00:29:04] <znsw> oh but are they on stand by or sumthing
[00:29:06] <Vassili> i am looking old Minecraft screens and i go bed, sorry
[00:29:21] <znsw> its ok i dont blame u
[00:29:22] <Vassili> here it's 6h29
[00:29:38] <znsw> of what stand by
[00:29:39] <znsw> ?
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[00:29:45] <Vassili> you have 00h29 (yes you say 12h29 pm lol)
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[00:30:04] <znsw> well ima go to bed instad then
[00:30:06] <@Nielk1> Vassili, why do you assume people arent here
[00:30:12] <@Nielk1> watching everything you say
[00:30:13] <@Nielk1> judging you
[00:30:15] <Vassili> you know why Nielk
[00:30:22] <Zero_Angel> always judging
[00:30:27] <Zero_Angel> always watching
[00:30:29] <Zero_Angel> in the shadows
[00:30:31] <znsw> -_- guys
[00:30:34] <znsw> chill lol
[00:30:47] <znsw> i was only wondering tho
[00:30:49] <Vassili> yes i am always watching
[00:30:54] <Vassili> in a game i play years ago,
[00:31:03] <Vassili> my nickname was the log guy
[00:31:16] <@Nielk1> nothing disgusts me more than people who claim to know the motives of others, or the status of others, and is just talking out their ass
[00:31:22] <Vassili> who can paste every people writings from the begin to the game
[00:31:23] <@Nielk1> for example, we are here
[00:31:28] <@Nielk1> we just dont see value in conversing with ya
[00:31:35] <Vassili> yea yea Nilek i now i disgust you
[00:31:41] <Vassili> i disgust GSh too ,and others
[00:31:41] <Zero_Angel> Well, I think there are some people who do not actively play bz2 anymore but like to check in once in awhile to see whats new
[00:31:48] <Vassili> yeaa i know i am judging again ^^
[00:31:56] <Vassili> *Nielk
[00:31:57] <znsw> ahh ok
[00:32:10] <Zero_Angel> Me, for example. I have my IRC client logged on to about 10 different chats at once
[00:32:16] <Zero_Angel> but I only really check on about 4 of them frequently
[00:32:26] <@Nielk1> Vassili, does that mean that you just admitted that you statethe mtives or statuses of people that you ahve no way to know?
[00:32:34] <@Nielk1> for if you say I am disgusted by you, that must be the case
[00:32:38] <znsw> but see the conversation is what keeps people wanting to play even more because they can build a connection and have even more fun playing
[00:32:42] <@Nielk1> as I said I am disgusted by people that do that
[00:32:50] <Vassili> answ
[00:32:58] <Vassili> stop, you speak to a wall ^^
[00:33:02] <Vassili> *znsw
[00:33:13] <@Nielk1> znsw, I am very nice and personable, dont worry about Vassili
[00:33:29] <@Nielk1> he just got highly insulted that we wcouldnt understand his broken english one day and hasnt let it go since
[00:33:38] <Vassili> first time i said i always see people wh osleep here, and i will play
[00:33:49] <Vassili> somebody tell me, "we are not here for pleasure you"
[00:33:56] <@Nielk1> we aren't
[00:34:02] <znsw> ....... ok i guess
[00:34:03] <@Nielk1> we're here to help people that need it
[00:34:17] <znsw> but isnt the point of multiplayer to talk to one another
[00:34:17] <Vassili> ah yes.;
[00:34:26] <znsw> dosent really matter if our english sucks n all
[00:34:28] <Vassili> but you don't accept feedback
[00:34:36] <@Nielk1> that's correct znsw
[00:34:45] <@Nielk1> it doesnt matter, if you dont get all bent out ocf shape if we cant understand you
[00:35:00] <@Nielk1> Vassili here had issues with the fact we could not properly understand him and became quite hostile
[00:35:07] <Vassili> yes
[00:35:16] <znsw> then try a different way of communication
[00:35:29] <znsw> in my situations i always try that
[00:35:33] <@Nielk1> pictionary?
[00:35:34] <Vassili> sure the fact of the irc topic have always one BZ2 patch versions retarded, his my bad english fault
[00:35:38] <znsw> n it works out fine
[00:35:40] <znsw> no
[00:35:55] <@Nielk1> no vassili, with your most recent statement the fault is your attitute
[00:35:57] <@Nielk1> not your english
[00:36:13] <Vassili> sure, and you will penalise everybody just for me?
[00:36:15] <Vassili> nice
[00:36:21] <@Nielk1> no, just you
[00:36:22] <znsw> explain your thoughts a different way other than disrespectful
[00:36:37] <@Nielk1> There was a time for that znsw
[00:36:41] <Vassili> you write that to me znsw?
[00:36:45] <znsw> ok my point wasnt to create an argument between u guys
[00:36:55] <@Nielk1> but I received enough disrespect from Vassili that I have no reason to give him benefit of the doubt
[00:37:00] <@Nielk1> I already know how he is going to act
[00:37:01] <Vassili> lol
[00:37:04] <Vassili> this good joke
[00:37:09] <@Nielk1> I already know he is going to call us retarded if we don't understand hyim
[00:37:17] <@Nielk1> I already know he is going to complain aboout things that are not wrong
[00:37:21] <Vassili> it's GSH who had insult me 4 times in 1 minute
[00:37:23] <Vassili> not me
[00:37:31] <@Nielk1> I also know he is going to woneer why people are asleep when its 12:30 AM in y timezone
[00:37:32] <Vassili> lol
[00:37:34] <Vassili> what a big joke
[00:37:38] <Vassili> i never call u retarded
[00:37:40] <Vassili> GSH do
[00:37:42] <@Nielk1> Vassili, he did that after you were abrasive
[00:37:44] <Vassili> (of me)
[00:37:50] <@Nielk1> you were problematic, and inceccently anoying
[00:37:55] <@Nielk1> thus, you got that responce
[00:37:58] <znsw> .......
[00:38:04] <@Nielk1> we no longer have the patience for such things
[00:38:06] <znsw> that wasnt my point guys
[00:38:12] <Vassili> stop lieing pelase, you smell like ahadley
[00:38:16] <znsw> really it wasnt
[00:38:28] <Vassili> i say you sleep ateverytime on this irc, not at midnight
[00:38:29] <@Nielk1> oh yes, that evil liar ahadley, who didnt bend to your threat to not translate the wiki
[00:38:35] <znsw> i think the best way to handle this is with a deathmatch
[00:38:38] <@Nielk1> and who, OH MY GOD, uses skype
[00:38:57] <znsw> maybe that can help you guys out
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[00:39:04] <Vassili> "who didnt bend to your threat to not translate the wiki"
[00:39:08] <Vassili> lol another big lie
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[00:39:15] <Vassili> you must learn to read your own language
[00:39:16] <@Nielk1> lol
[00:39:19] <Vassili> he have do it
[00:39:27] <@Nielk1> Vassili
[00:39:36] <Vassili> using skype is a fact
[00:39:38] <@Nielk1> threatening to not translate the wiki simply means that we close the translation project
[00:39:48] <@Nielk1> additionaly, the fact you nigh on attacked Ahadley because he uses Skype
[00:39:50] <znsw> at least i got this chatroom to talk
[00:39:52] <Vassili> tell skype is better of all and liberty is impossible
[00:39:52] <znsw> lol
[00:40:05] <Vassili> say it's cool to give information to spying governement
[00:40:08] <Vassili> it's another thing
[00:40:13] <@Nielk1> yes, znsw, Vassili really thinks AH is a liar because he uses Skype, among a few other things
[00:40:36] <Vassili> yes
[00:40:37] <@Nielk1> and one final note before I get some sleep
[00:40:39] <Vassili> say lies
[00:40:46] <Vassili> i don't had say that..
[00:40:48] <Vassili> but i don't care
[00:40:55] <Vassili> i will just start to cal lyou Sly2
[00:41:04] <@Nielk1> bzforum.matesfamily.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2068#p35299
[00:41:05] <znsw> yup a deathmatch is in session tomorrow
[00:41:09] <@Nielk1> bzforum.matesfamily.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2068#p35299http://
[00:41:11] <@Nielk1> damnit
[00:41:15] <@Nielk1> viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2068#p35299
[00:41:16] <znsw> ima try n host it
[00:41:17] <Vassili> not your fault zn
[00:41:29] <@Nielk1> that is your post threatening to not translate the wiki because you didn't like what AHadley was saying
[00:41:49] <@Nielk1> to which his reply was one of not giving a flying ****, so that probably burned a bit
[00:42:05] <Vassili> Nielk, read the thread you post in link
[00:42:17] <@Nielk1> I did
[00:42:25] <znsw> lol gn guys at least i made this chat room moving a little
[00:42:26] <@Nielk1> also, you can't even comapre languages properly
[00:42:31] <@Nielk1> anyway, I have to get to sleep, becauss as one of the many American players of this game, its the next day
[00:42:34] <@Nielk1> and I ahve WORK
[00:42:40] <Vassili> you will not found a trace where i say "you use skype so you..etc" etc...
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[00:42:46] <@Nielk1> which, btw, is why you say people just sit around
[00:42:49] <@Nielk1> because of the timezone difference
[00:42:52] <@Nielk1> you need to remember that
[00:42:53] <Vassili> that is your post threatening to not translate the wiki because you didn't like what AHadley was saying
[00:43:12] <@Nielk1> Vassili
[00:43:12] <Vassili> lol 2 seconds ago yo uwass saying AH have never start this project and i don't liek taht
[00:43:18] <@Nielk1> I have the PMs from AH between you and he
[00:43:30] <Vassili> yes i know you have say by "he use skype and..etc"
[00:43:34] <@Nielk1> I know that ever since he said he uses skype you have treated him like an enemy
[00:43:49] <@Nielk1> additionaly I can see that you are trying to force him, in that topic, to think the way you do by threatening to not translate teh wiki
[00:43:52] <@Nielk1> simple fact is, we dont care
[00:43:54] <Vassili> but i think too you don't havethe full pm because you seems sure of what you say on me
[00:44:01] <@Nielk1> we would rather close the translation project then have it be incomplete
[00:44:14] <@Nielk1> Vassili, I am going to say this
[00:44:16] <@Nielk1> ONCE
[00:44:37] <@Nielk1> You cleary have no idea what I am saying, or what you are saying, ebcause your statements in reply are enitrely nonsequitor and meaningless
[00:44:52] <@Nielk1> so either A: you are not understanding what I am saying and are replying improperly
[00:45:03] <@Nielk1> or you are understanding what I am saying and are horrible at replying
[00:45:07] <@Nielk1> or I guess, both
[00:45:16] <@Nielk1> whatever it be, I care not, but I am not going to espend the energy
[00:45:20] <Vassili> sure i can't do translation ^^
[00:45:23] <@Nielk1> you aren't worth the effordx
[00:45:26] <@Nielk1> *effort
[00:45:29] <@Nielk1> so, goodnight
[00:45:31] <Vassili> continue to think taht it's perfect
[00:45:32] <@Nielk1> ive got work tomarrow
[00:45:57] <@Nielk1> because I have a life, and a job, and a purpose in life rather than just bitching at people about unimportant dribble
[00:46:00] <Vassili> go work
[00:46:01] <@Nielk1> good day
[00:46:04] <Vassili> and stop lie
[00:46:04] *** Disconnected.
[00:46:19] *** Now talking on #Bz2
[00:46:19] *** Topic on #Bz2 is: BZ2 1.3.6.4y patch released for crig upgrade fixes and more. See viewforum.php?f=7
[00:46:19] *** Topic set by *.GameSurge.net (11/5/2013 at 9:35 AM)
[00:46:19] *** ChanServ sets mode +o Nielk1
[00:46:34] <@Nielk1> I am going to sleep you incompetent boob
[00:46:40] <Vassili> because I have a life, and a job, and a purpose in life rather than just bitching at people about unimportant dribble, ohhh nice comaprison with SLY
[00:46:40] *** Disconnected.
So apparently if he doesn't understand you he just copy+pastes what you said and puts a 5 year old's comeback at the end.
On he topic at hand, there is no comparison between Python and Java. Java is a Virtual Machine running custom Machine Language, and Python is an interpreted script running on an interpreting base, normally coded in C++.
If you want to have a proper comparison, compare Javascript/ecmascript, Python, Lua, PHP, and Pearl.
Additionally, knowing C# is quite wise as its useful for rapid prototyping, has C++/Java like syntax (which would make porting out of its tightly controlled ecosystem pretty easy), and is used by millions of businesses. All .net languages work by partially compiling to a common base language for .net and then compiling to machine-code when run. In this way the only close comparison is Java's VM system (though not a true analog).
Oh, and for anyone wondering, here is his most recent tirade calling me "Sly2" because I don't agree with him. I am not going to have a french version of BNG galavanting around. I'm just going to head this crap off before it becomes a problem.
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[00:27:10] <znsw> hi
[00:27:16] <Vassili> hello
[00:27:25] <znsw> awesome everyone still here
[00:27:35] <Vassili> no
[00:27:36] <znsw> but i see almost no one playing
[00:27:38] <Vassili> the others sleep
[00:27:41] <znsw> ohhhh
[00:27:44] <Vassili> me i often play
[00:27:48] <znsw> that explains everything
[00:28:06] <Vassili> yes me too i had point the fact they are always 10 here and never answer/play
[00:28:12] <Vassili> they don't like it
[00:28:15] <znsw> cool cant host a game idk why not but i still feel like playing
[00:28:22] <znsw> they dont like playing the game
[00:28:23] <znsw> ?
[00:28:41] <Vassili> they don't like when somebody say they are still here for nothing
[00:29:04] <znsw> oh but are they on stand by or sumthing
[00:29:06] <Vassili> i am looking old Minecraft screens and i go bed, sorry
[00:29:21] <znsw> its ok i dont blame u
[00:29:22] <Vassili> here it's 6h29
[00:29:38] <znsw> of what stand by
[00:29:39] <znsw> ?
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[00:29:45] <Vassili> you have 00h29 (yes you say 12h29 pm lol)
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[00:30:04] <znsw> well ima go to bed instad then
[00:30:06] <@Nielk1> Vassili, why do you assume people arent here
[00:30:12] <@Nielk1> watching everything you say
[00:30:13] <@Nielk1> judging you
[00:30:15] <Vassili> you know why Nielk
[00:30:22] <Zero_Angel> always judging
[00:30:27] <Zero_Angel> always watching
[00:30:29] <Zero_Angel> in the shadows
[00:30:31] <znsw> -_- guys
[00:30:34] <znsw> chill lol
[00:30:47] <znsw> i was only wondering tho
[00:30:49] <Vassili> yes i am always watching
[00:30:54] <Vassili> in a game i play years ago,
[00:31:03] <Vassili> my nickname was the log guy
[00:31:16] <@Nielk1> nothing disgusts me more than people who claim to know the motives of others, or the status of others, and is just talking out their ass
[00:31:22] <Vassili> who can paste every people writings from the begin to the game
[00:31:23] <@Nielk1> for example, we are here
[00:31:28] <@Nielk1> we just dont see value in conversing with ya
[00:31:35] <Vassili> yea yea Nilek i now i disgust you
[00:31:41] <Vassili> i disgust GSh too ,and others
[00:31:41] <Zero_Angel> Well, I think there are some people who do not actively play bz2 anymore but like to check in once in awhile to see whats new
[00:31:48] <Vassili> yeaa i know i am judging again ^^
[00:31:56] <Vassili> *Nielk
[00:31:57] <znsw> ahh ok
[00:32:10] <Zero_Angel> Me, for example. I have my IRC client logged on to about 10 different chats at once
[00:32:16] <Zero_Angel> but I only really check on about 4 of them frequently
[00:32:26] <@Nielk1> Vassili, does that mean that you just admitted that you statethe mtives or statuses of people that you ahve no way to know?
[00:32:34] <@Nielk1> for if you say I am disgusted by you, that must be the case
[00:32:38] <znsw> but see the conversation is what keeps people wanting to play even more because they can build a connection and have even more fun playing
[00:32:42] <@Nielk1> as I said I am disgusted by people that do that
[00:32:50] <Vassili> answ
[00:32:58] <Vassili> stop, you speak to a wall ^^
[00:33:02] <Vassili> *znsw
[00:33:13] <@Nielk1> znsw, I am very nice and personable, dont worry about Vassili
[00:33:29] <@Nielk1> he just got highly insulted that we wcouldnt understand his broken english one day and hasnt let it go since
[00:33:38] <Vassili> first time i said i always see people wh osleep here, and i will play
[00:33:49] <Vassili> somebody tell me, "we are not here for pleasure you"
[00:33:56] <@Nielk1> we aren't
[00:34:02] <znsw> ....... ok i guess
[00:34:03] <@Nielk1> we're here to help people that need it
[00:34:17] <znsw> but isnt the point of multiplayer to talk to one another
[00:34:17] <Vassili> ah yes.;
[00:34:26] <znsw> dosent really matter if our english sucks n all
[00:34:28] <Vassili> but you don't accept feedback
[00:34:36] <@Nielk1> that's correct znsw
[00:34:45] <@Nielk1> it doesnt matter, if you dont get all bent out ocf shape if we cant understand you
[00:35:00] <@Nielk1> Vassili here had issues with the fact we could not properly understand him and became quite hostile
[00:35:07] <Vassili> yes
[00:35:16] <znsw> then try a different way of communication
[00:35:29] <znsw> in my situations i always try that
[00:35:33] <@Nielk1> pictionary?
[00:35:34] <Vassili> sure the fact of the irc topic have always one BZ2 patch versions retarded, his my bad english fault
[00:35:38] <znsw> n it works out fine
[00:35:40] <znsw> no
[00:35:55] <@Nielk1> no vassili, with your most recent statement the fault is your attitute
[00:35:57] <@Nielk1> not your english
[00:36:13] <Vassili> sure, and you will penalise everybody just for me?
[00:36:15] <Vassili> nice
[00:36:21] <@Nielk1> no, just you
[00:36:22] <znsw> explain your thoughts a different way other than disrespectful
[00:36:37] <@Nielk1> There was a time for that znsw
[00:36:41] <Vassili> you write that to me znsw?
[00:36:45] <znsw> ok my point wasnt to create an argument between u guys
[00:36:55] <@Nielk1> but I received enough disrespect from Vassili that I have no reason to give him benefit of the doubt
[00:37:00] <@Nielk1> I already know how he is going to act
[00:37:01] <Vassili> lol
[00:37:04] <Vassili> this good joke
[00:37:09] <@Nielk1> I already know he is going to call us retarded if we don't understand hyim
[00:37:17] <@Nielk1> I already know he is going to complain aboout things that are not wrong
[00:37:21] <Vassili> it's GSH who had insult me 4 times in 1 minute
[00:37:23] <Vassili> not me
[00:37:31] <@Nielk1> I also know he is going to woneer why people are asleep when its 12:30 AM in y timezone
[00:37:32] <Vassili> lol
[00:37:34] <Vassili> what a big joke
[00:37:38] <Vassili> i never call u retarded
[00:37:40] <Vassili> GSH do
[00:37:42] <@Nielk1> Vassili, he did that after you were abrasive
[00:37:44] <Vassili> (of me)
[00:37:50] <@Nielk1> you were problematic, and inceccently anoying
[00:37:55] <@Nielk1> thus, you got that responce
[00:37:58] <znsw> .......
[00:38:04] <@Nielk1> we no longer have the patience for such things
[00:38:06] <znsw> that wasnt my point guys
[00:38:12] <Vassili> stop lieing pelase, you smell like ahadley
[00:38:16] <znsw> really it wasnt
[00:38:28] <Vassili> i say you sleep ateverytime on this irc, not at midnight
[00:38:29] <@Nielk1> oh yes, that evil liar ahadley, who didnt bend to your threat to not translate the wiki
[00:38:35] <znsw> i think the best way to handle this is with a deathmatch
[00:38:38] <@Nielk1> and who, OH MY GOD, uses skype
[00:38:57] <znsw> maybe that can help you guys out
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[00:39:04] <Vassili> "who didnt bend to your threat to not translate the wiki"
[00:39:08] <Vassili> lol another big lie
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[00:39:15] <Vassili> you must learn to read your own language
[00:39:16] <@Nielk1> lol
[00:39:19] <Vassili> he have do it
[00:39:27] <@Nielk1> Vassili
[00:39:36] <Vassili> using skype is a fact
[00:39:38] <@Nielk1> threatening to not translate the wiki simply means that we close the translation project
[00:39:48] <@Nielk1> additionaly, the fact you nigh on attacked Ahadley because he uses Skype
[00:39:50] <znsw> at least i got this chatroom to talk
[00:39:52] <Vassili> tell skype is better of all and liberty is impossible
[00:39:52] <znsw> lol
[00:40:05] <Vassili> say it's cool to give information to spying governement
[00:40:08] <Vassili> it's another thing
[00:40:13] <@Nielk1> yes, znsw, Vassili really thinks AH is a liar because he uses Skype, among a few other things
[00:40:36] <Vassili> yes
[00:40:37] <@Nielk1> and one final note before I get some sleep
[00:40:39] <Vassili> say lies
[00:40:46] <Vassili> i don't had say that..
[00:40:48] <Vassili> but i don't care
[00:40:55] <Vassili> i will just start to cal lyou Sly2
[00:41:04] <@Nielk1> bzforum.matesfamily.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2068#p35299
[00:41:05] <znsw> yup a deathmatch is in session tomorrow
[00:41:09] <@Nielk1> bzforum.matesfamily.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2068#p35299http://
[00:41:11] <@Nielk1> damnit
[00:41:15] <@Nielk1> viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2068#p35299
[00:41:16] <znsw> ima try n host it
[00:41:17] <Vassili> not your fault zn
[00:41:29] <@Nielk1> that is your post threatening to not translate the wiki because you didn't like what AHadley was saying
[00:41:49] <@Nielk1> to which his reply was one of not giving a flying ****, so that probably burned a bit
[00:42:05] <Vassili> Nielk, read the thread you post in link
[00:42:17] <@Nielk1> I did
[00:42:25] <znsw> lol gn guys at least i made this chat room moving a little
[00:42:26] <@Nielk1> also, you can't even comapre languages properly
[00:42:31] <@Nielk1> anyway, I have to get to sleep, becauss as one of the many American players of this game, its the next day
[00:42:34] <@Nielk1> and I ahve WORK
[00:42:40] <Vassili> you will not found a trace where i say "you use skype so you..etc" etc...
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[00:42:46] <@Nielk1> which, btw, is why you say people just sit around
[00:42:49] <@Nielk1> because of the timezone difference
[00:42:52] <@Nielk1> you need to remember that
[00:42:53] <Vassili> that is your post threatening to not translate the wiki because you didn't like what AHadley was saying
[00:43:12] <@Nielk1> Vassili
[00:43:12] <Vassili> lol 2 seconds ago yo uwass saying AH have never start this project and i don't liek taht
[00:43:18] <@Nielk1> I have the PMs from AH between you and he
[00:43:30] <Vassili> yes i know you have say by "he use skype and..etc"
[00:43:34] <@Nielk1> I know that ever since he said he uses skype you have treated him like an enemy
[00:43:49] <@Nielk1> additionaly I can see that you are trying to force him, in that topic, to think the way you do by threatening to not translate teh wiki
[00:43:52] <@Nielk1> simple fact is, we dont care
[00:43:54] <Vassili> but i think too you don't havethe full pm because you seems sure of what you say on me
[00:44:01] <@Nielk1> we would rather close the translation project then have it be incomplete
[00:44:14] <@Nielk1> Vassili, I am going to say this
[00:44:16] <@Nielk1> ONCE
[00:44:37] <@Nielk1> You cleary have no idea what I am saying, or what you are saying, ebcause your statements in reply are enitrely nonsequitor and meaningless
[00:44:52] <@Nielk1> so either A: you are not understanding what I am saying and are replying improperly
[00:45:03] <@Nielk1> or you are understanding what I am saying and are horrible at replying
[00:45:07] <@Nielk1> or I guess, both
[00:45:16] <@Nielk1> whatever it be, I care not, but I am not going to espend the energy
[00:45:20] <Vassili> sure i can't do translation ^^
[00:45:23] <@Nielk1> you aren't worth the effordx
[00:45:26] <@Nielk1> *effort
[00:45:29] <@Nielk1> so, goodnight
[00:45:31] <Vassili> continue to think taht it's perfect
[00:45:32] <@Nielk1> ive got work tomarrow
[00:45:57] <@Nielk1> because I have a life, and a job, and a purpose in life rather than just bitching at people about unimportant dribble
[00:46:00] <Vassili> go work
[00:46:01] <@Nielk1> good day
[00:46:04] <Vassili> and stop lie
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[00:46:19] *** Topic on #Bz2 is: BZ2 1.3.6.4y patch released for crig upgrade fixes and more. See viewforum.php?f=7
[00:46:19] *** Topic set by *.GameSurge.net (11/5/2013 at 9:35 AM)
[00:46:19] *** ChanServ sets mode +o Nielk1
[00:46:34] <@Nielk1> I am going to sleep you incompetent boob
[00:46:40] <Vassili> because I have a life, and a job, and a purpose in life rather than just bitching at people about unimportant dribble, ohhh nice comaprison with SLY
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So apparently if he doesn't understand you he just copy+pastes what you said and puts a 5 year old's comeback at the end.
On he topic at hand, there is no comparison between Python and Java. Java is a Virtual Machine running custom Machine Language, and Python is an interpreted script running on an interpreting base, normally coded in C++.
If you want to have a proper comparison, compare Javascript/ecmascript, Python, Lua, PHP, and Pearl.
Additionally, knowing C# is quite wise as its useful for rapid prototyping, has C++/Java like syntax (which would make porting out of its tightly controlled ecosystem pretty easy), and is used by millions of businesses. All .net languages work by partially compiling to a common base language for .net and then compiling to machine-code when run. In this way the only close comparison is Java's VM system (though not a true analog).
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Zero Angel
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Re: Python vs Java
This isnt the place for personal fighting.
Also the way you posted the chat log is dumb. Use [ code ] or something so it gets put into a nice scrollable text box, or link to a paste.
Also the way you posted the chat log is dumb. Use [ code ] or something so it gets put into a nice scrollable text box, or link to a paste.
Regulators
Regulate any stealin' of this biometal pool, we're damn good, too
But you can't be any geek off the street
Gotta be handy with the chains if you know what I mean
Earn your keep
Regulate any stealin' of this biometal pool, we're damn good, too
But you can't be any geek off the street
Gotta be handy with the chains if you know what I mean
Earn your keep
Re: Python vs Java
What about moving all this to another thread?
Call him... "hate him" for example
Call him... "hate him" for example
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Re: Python vs Java
This is getting me no where
Id like to ask an admin to lock or delete this thread.
Id like to ask an admin to lock or delete this thread.
Re: Delete thread
No, don't delete it, just delete the content relating to the personnal relation of Nielk1 have with me, move it to another thread.
Re: Python vs Java
What do you think I am? I tried that, it wasn't scrollable.Zero Angel wrote:This isnt the place for personal fighting.
Also the way you posted the chat log is dumb. Use [ code ] or something so it gets put into a nice scrollable text box, or link to a paste.
I am just sick of the assholes in this community. If you publicly post every damn thing I've ever said (with context) I look rosy if not a little angry very rarely (yes, it is rare, though people seem to mistake terseness for anger where it doesn't exist). If you post this crap with full context, like I just did, they look like raving maniacs.
I'm sick of it, Corrective action must be taken in this community or its going to be dead by this time next year. I've said that till the end I will pay out of my own pocket to keep this game and community going, but I will not let it turn into such a festering pit. I am going to get this **** aired out.