GOP Roundup...Pt.2

[Iron_Maiden]

Well, this seems like and adequate time to bring up the debate again. After tonights debate, it would seem as though the feild has by now seperated into several camps.

Front runners:

Romney
Gingrich

Second teir and wild cards:

Paul
Bachmann
Perry
Cain

Lovable Loser:

Huntsman

Idiot:

Santorum

This debate was especially gruelling, long, uneventful, and strange. Paul actually did well with promoting his theories, not that I agree with all of them. He also had a lot more time then the last debate, though this severly bit into Romney's time. Gingrich did well as usual, Caina dn peryy are slipping and sinking. Bachmann is jsut there to shake things up. And Santorum and Huntsman by this point just seem to be cannon fodder.

So, how is the field looking to you right now? Any surprises as of late? Who do you think should and could be president and how do you think the coming months leading up to Iowa will pan out?

--Iron_Maiden

[Clavin12]

It's funny to me how everybody who talks about Ron Paul moderates themselves and says they don't agree with some of his theories, though they never say which.

[MrTwosheds]

Your nation is going bankrupt. Voting for any of those puppets will just ensure failure, a vote for either democrat or republican is a vote to crash your economy. Vote for someone else, anyone else, you will be backing a loser, but maybe a they'll be the loser with a parachute...

Time to stop watching this farce, your time would be better spent ploughing up your backyard, It can feed you...

[APCs r Evil]

I agree.

To me there are two choices, Ron Paul or Obama with a different face.

Neither choice will avert the economic catastrophe, but at least Paul would know how to handle it.

[Clavin12]

IMO Paul is the best choice, but he's so extremely conservative that people are hesitant to back him up.

[Nielk1]

Your nation is going bankrupt. Voting for any of those puppets will just ensure failure, a vote for either democrat or republican is a vote to crash your economy. Vote for someone else, anyone else, you will be backing a loser, but maybe a they'll be the loser with a parachute...

Time to stop watching this farce, your time would be better spent ploughing up your backyard, It can feed you...

If you vote for someone else for this reason, the rank and file of the opposing to the side less evil would vote for their candidate and win. I say we abolish parties all together. As it is I vote based on a checklist of what the candidate has done in the past and says they are going to do (factoring in their credibility).

The truth about our financial situation is we have two opinions out there, raise taxes and cut nothing and end up like Greece, or make cuts but not raise taxes and end up like most of the rest of Europe. The trick is, we aren't as far gone as Europe was yet, so just cutting might work better than it did there, but in all likelihood both are needed.

The biggest issue is how the media in the US is sided to the left. Republicans are accused of not compromising when they make offer after offer each time giving more and more. The truth is that to the Democrats, a Republican compromise is not an agreement between the parties but for them to simply accept everything the Democrats want.

And cuts, what a joke every cut out there is. Cuts are simply reductions in the expenditure delta that keeps it positive. In other words, I pay 10 billion now, I will pay 15 billion next year, oh, lets cut it so I only pay 14 billion next year!

As it is, when Democrats do manage to compromise with Republicans they always offer a future cut of some kind, but they don't dare mentioned HOW to get that cut. Half the time the math they use wouldn't even pass an elementary school exam.

As it is, the Democrats of today are so far left its asinine. In the past, the Democrats were where the Republicans are now. Today, JFK would be a REPUBLICAN!

Pure cold logic says that to abolish every party and vote for each individual candidate based on their values and worth is best. Human nature says we pick the lesser of two evils of the two main parties and vote, because anyone smart enough to consider the first option here inevitably is one of the voters for the less evil. IOW, trying to vote for someone outside of the two main parties is most likely to cause the worst possible outcome. In this case, a 2nd term of the media darling Obama, but in the past it could be any old republican or democrat.

Parties themselves are not a bad thing, but they are far too corrupt. Parties should exist in some number of about 50 common ones IMO, not 2.

[MrTwosheds]

If you vote for someone else for this reason, the rank and file of the opposing to the side less evil would vote for their candidate and win

At this point it really does not matter who wins! indeed some may think it would be better for someone else to be holding the fan when the **** hits it. If your government (both parties) carry on as they have been, your economy will be crippled by debt it simply cannot pay. Cuts and tax increases won't help much as both just further harm the Nations ability to create wealth in the first place. The problem is that the daft boogers even think they can borrow their way out of a hole. There is only one way out, regrowing the base of the economy and "treating" its parasitic growths...Someone needs to get a grip before natural economic forces do it to you the hard way. The chances of either of the media clown factions known as democrat or republican doing it are exactly zero.
Economics is a function of the organic environment.

[Nielk1]

Economics is a function of the organic environment.

The entire problem is that the Dems lifted some of the common sense controls on the economy, even went so far as to force some institutions to do the bad choices though that mostly came later with the Bank Bailouts, watched it all go really bad, blamed the Republicans, and then started to instate strict job killing controls.

I have watched this happening, I have warned people of it before it happened, I saw it before, as, and now after it has happened. I would think I know what I am talking about. Sorry 2Sheds but you probably only have whatever tainted information about our government makes it across the pond. Basically, the way to fix the country here is to restore the balance, and with Dems so far left, even the Republicans might be left of center, but we need something to at least reduce the rate of listing and prevent everyone from sliding right off the deck into the ocean. (Ah, boat metaphor.)

[Red Devil]

yup, we are incredibly bankrupt now, both financially, economically, and - most importantly - morally.

the noobs in power right now are just trying to keep our own version of the Titanic afloat by making the dollar bubble bigger, but that bubble will pop much sooner than later, and, when it does, shelves will empty in hours, the supply chain will break, and baby will come crashing to ground.

it won't be easy seeing you all die due to starvation after you finish eating each other, but it's not like you couldn't see it coming over the past few years.

okay, decades...

BTW, i agree with all of Ron Paul's points.

[Iron_Maiden]

The main problem I ahve with Ron Paul is his stance on Iran. I do beleive we do need to work more towards stopping Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, as we know it is going to be used against Isreal. We need to work with the people of Isreal to secure theri future and as a resuly, ours. While I do agree with Paul we do not need to be the world's policemen, we do need to be the neighborhood watch, still able to play a signifigant part on the world stage while nonetheless not acting as a global nanny cleaning up after the French.

Also, I have heard that he wants to get rid of the FDA, though I can't remember where I heard it from. Nonetheless, that is unacceptable.

[MrTwosheds]

I know enough to know that trans Atlantic political comparisons do not work, and that what you perceive as the extreme left is no such thing, nowhere near it.
Americans should not starve, as a nation you are still resource rich (except for a few important exceptions) Wether you will be able to utilise those resources without resorting to murdering each other is another matter.

as we know it is going to be used against Isreal

Oh please, they will use nukes the same way anyone else who has them does, by NOT firing them. A Nation the size of Iran will not commit suicide over an argument about a small unimportant piece of someone else's desert. If they really wanted to actually "destroy" Israel they could have done it by now, What they want is to destroy the "Jewish State" because it is offensive to them that Muslims should be discriminated against in this way. The "Jewish State" could be destroyed with the wave of a pen! and everyone would be much safer than they are now. This is Hitler's legacy. Are humans really so feeble minded that we cannot overcome it?

Apparently we are.

[Red Devil]

if Mexico and Canada were invaded and having wars fought in them, we'd want some nukes if we didn't already have them. Iran knows that if they used them to attack another country, they'd promptly be eradicated (they're way outnumbered), but - if attacked - they'd be justified in using them to defend themselves - just as we or any other country that has them would.

if they do use them to attack, it would be one big pile-on by China and the U.S and anybody else who wants their oil.

it's just fear-mongering by the Neo-Cons/corporate shills that keeps the wars going.

also, we want the Department of "Education", the EPA, and especially the "Federal Reserve Bank (the "Fed") - and all the other bloated bureaucracies of a socialist-centered central government that cost us (that's you and me our children) - hundreds of billions of "dollars" (counterfeit money issued by an illegal and private central bank - yes, the Constitutional Amendment that brought it into being was never legally ratified by the States) controlling things that the States are supposed to be in charge of - GONE.

also...

did you know...

that the federal income tax you pay - 15..30% of your hard-earned dollars that is taken out of your paycheck...

pays the "National Debt", which is the interest charged by the "Federal" reserve bank for allowing us to borrow money from them?

i believe in the American Constitution and Capitalism, not corporatism/fascism/socialism, all controlled by central banks (what we have now). yes, Capitalism is not the same as what we have now. Support your Mom-and-Pop stores.

now, some who follow the party line/propaganda may argue that what i say is anti-American or anti-Freedom, but that would farther from the truth than the edge of the universe. in fact, it is the complete opposite.

Time to hit the reset button, folks, and return our country to its former greatness. if you don't believe me, ask your parents.

time to choose between the Red Pill or the Blue Pill (choose Red)

more:

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[APCs r Evil]

I love the way you can make what's coming (And by that I mean the event that's going to put the Great Depression to shame.) sound like such fun, RD.

[Red Devil]

well...it will be - if you are prepared.

"Be prepared, son; be prepared."

Natty/G66 have taught me a lot.

[Nielk1]

wants their oil.

Note I thought of because of that phrase. We never took a drop from those countries we are accused of only being in for oil.