hey guys

[MAX]

game up on 1.2 all welcome

[Cyber]

hey max

[SnakeEye]

Hi, out of curiosity, why do you play 1.2 instead of the latest version?

[Cyber]

The most people keep playing 1.2 because of they like warping, infinite flying etc.
The actual "real patch" (6.1) has some lag-problems (fixed in the test-builds).
The mainly reason.
But I am playing 1.3, actually 6.1 and b89k. Tip for 6.1: set limit to...maximal 6.

[Vearie]

The reason players stick to 1.2 has hundreds of reasons, another big one being that the latest patch has nothing but MPI-noobs for players, plus it's almost literally unplayable at the moment due to random lagouts of everybody in any game, resyncs after every arc shot/blink, etc.

It's gotten to the point where the private builds are making it public, since the current testers don't do anything but post on forums.

[GreenGuy]

Vearie, I don't think it's fair you call 1.3pb6.1 a MPI-noob patch. Of course 1.2 is better for ISDF vs ISDF strats, I agree with that. Unfortunately I won't be able to play on 1.2 because I'm not at home right now I am on my laptop, and I don't have fresh install of BZ2 with me. But for everything else than ISDF vs ISDF I prefer 1.3, Scion vs ISDF for instance. I am sick and tired of getting bashed or called a noob because of playing MPI, I don't need people telling me what to play and what not to play, when I play my favourite game of all time, I play whatever the hell I want, Strategy, Free For All, DMs, MPIs, Mods, even CTF. I don't like playing 1 game mode all the time, if I want to play a MPI once in a while, why not just let me? It's not a crime. Just because you play MPIs too it doesn't mean you don't have skill or that your skill is dropping, actually it's a good commanding practice.

I don't see the point in coming into MPIs and telling people they suck, I have read complaints about you guys doing that (viewtopic.php?f=7&t=571). And even see you coming into my games cloaked as other people trying to lag the game, or tell me "This is why people think you are a noob GG", We keep banning you and you keep changing your IP, saying that "You can't ban a Beta Tester", you keep insisting on ruining our game. Pathetic.. just pathetic.

[Vearie]

Greenguy, please see the following BZ2 videos:
Links removed. Greifer videos -squirrel

MPI is bad commanding practice, I'll put this simple for you and other new players: Commanding against AI is not comparable to commanding against a person. If you try to argue this, fact is, you have no clue what you're talking about.

If you don't want to be "griefed" you shouldn't kick players for winning, and cry every time you're getting raped, etc.

[Iron Maiden]

Vearie, let me get something out of the way before the mods show up...

Is MPI teh same as person v person? No. But to call those who play MPI noobs is a little demeaning. When I play BZ2 (which has not been for a while given the chaos of the latest patch) I gladly play anything, Strat, DM, MPI, hell even King of the Hill, even though nobody plays it anymore. My point is, I play whatever becasue I love the game, not because I care about my standing as a strat pro, and I am sure many here share my views. So lay off the MPI players, you think they're noobs for playing a calm, easy, and many times fun match where you can really make yourself feel as though you are in the campaign sometimes, if played right, fine, but bringing it up anywhere MPI is mentioned is simply not cool. Don't want to play, fine, don't, just quit calling the MPI players noobs and MPI a lousy game type, because it is rude and by now it is getting anoying.

[VSMIT]

Vearie, shut up. Get a better argument or go away.

Thank you.

[Ded10c]

Hi, out of curiosity, why do you play 1.2 instead of the latest version?

Same reason people still play 1.4, mostly. They like their little cheats, and many have a bit of an ego problem (I find the term "superiority complex" works quite well). For the most part, the only reason 1.3 has so many MPI players is because much of the 1.2 crowd is so incredibly hostile.

For reference to Vearie's comments, MPI was introduced in 1.2 and 1.1 is the latest official patch. Issues with the latest patch are much less serious than he implies. And he knows very little about the testing process we run (his only information comes from Purplehaze, who was "let go" shortly before 6.0's release).

I really want to suggest somebody bans the a**hat, but I won't. Also, thanks for the quote.

[Iron Maiden]

(his only information comes from Purplehaze, who was "let go" shortly before 6.0's release).

Man, this economy has hit everyone.

[Axeminister]

Hi, out of curiosity, why do you play 1.2 instead of the latest version?

Same reason people still play 1.4, mostly. They like their little cheats, and many have a bit of an ego problem (I find the term "superiority complex" works quite well). For the most part, the only reason 1.3 has so many MPI players is because much of the 1.2 crowd is so incredibly hostile.

For reference to Vearie's comments, MPI was introduced in 1.2 and 1.1 is the latest official patch. Issues with the latest patch are much less serious than he implies. And he knows very little about the testing process we run (his only information comes from Purplehaze, who was "let go" shortly before 6.0's release).

I really want to suggest somebody bans the a**hat, but I won't. Also, thanks for the quote.

Actually this is true to me, the part about the hostility in 1.2 being a reason Windy and I don't play 1.2. I used to play G66 mpi's a lot in 1.2 but people started av'ing my games every time I turned around. Combine that with unit overbuilds in G66 on occasion, 1.2 lockups and rude players that would join and go straight for the enemy base and lose their ship I finally moved on. I really miss the game play of the first G66, Skywars, and Starfleet mpi's, but like not getting av'ed, lockups and so many rude strat players who go straight to the enemy fortified base as soon as they join, then want something while I'm trying to build defenses in beginning of game.

[Sly]

@ Snakeye

Ignore the children arguing above....

Everyone has their own preferences in accordance to their level of skill...that is all.

[Lionsword7]

Well, the BZ community has split into two factions, 1.3, the newer gen, and the 1.2, the older gen (not all of them).
The 1.3 side tends to have more MPIs, while the 1.2 side tends to have more strats.
The reason they like 1.2 more is because of the physics and "hovering", as well as a reduction of lag.

[Sly]

A few months ago I would argue that 1.3 had less lag, but that is not the case anymore.