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He said modes, baka yaro!Apollo wrote:I would say Bzers didn't like Bz2 mainly because the vehicle physics killed the fun game play they had in Bz.GSH wrote:BZ1ers didn't like BZ2 in part because it wasn't BZ1 with larger assets and a continued focus on DM. Pissant rivalry over game modes continues to this day, with certain arrogant people preferring to be a big fish in an ever-shrinking pond rather than be nice and invite others in.
-- GSH
Also the AVs that occured so often that you had to fix all the lost file fragments.
Back then you couldn't get near and enemy base with a PII 350 without dropping to a slide show frame rate.
The orange skins on tanks didn't help matters.
Bz "pissant rivalry over game mods" maybe the conclusion of people throwing stones without first hand knowlage of what it's really about but what it is truely about is a small group wanting to be dictators over all of Bz, the rest is propaganda to achieve their goals.
Personally i don't care if the game code is released and there are 50 versions of the game. (grow up and get alone)
The arrogance and hostility of the community would be another reason.Zax wrote:He said modes, baka yaro!
You completely brought the wrong subject up.
The only animosity and mean-spirited attitude I saw portrayed between DM and strat in BZ1 was spock. He continuously labeled players at his forum, "DM Dummies" and harped that ad hominem constantly before having his forum. Otherwise DM and strat players got/get along.Apollo wrote:I don't see any rivalry between dm and strat in Bz, many people play both bb1 so excuse me if i misunderstood him.
I was thinking in the line of games like Kingdom Hearts, which combined Action and RPG action, and the later Madden games which combined sports play with a Sim environment building your own team (I think even franchise?). Yea, it's more a very generic view, but around BZ's time, from my memory games sported a single element, like only Role Play, Shooter, RTS, sports. Heck, how many multiplayer shooters even supported team deathmatches that helped a good teamwork envirnment around BZ's time? I'm pretty sure if you probably had tried to combine RTS and action in the 90s it probably wouldn't have gone nearly as well as it would today.AHadley wrote:I still have yet to see something do it to the same level as BZ did.
AHadley wrote:
Opposition to MPI or ST demonstrates lack of understanding. A lot of people see MPI as some repetitive mode for stupid people where you build 10 guntowers and then can't possibly lose, but MPI has its own values as a mode to take it easy in. Strat OTOH is extremely hectic with people always trying to outfox each other and it requires so much of your awareness and attention that if you 'slip' for a critical second it can lead to a downward spiral that can cost you the game (especially if you're the commander or team's 'ace' or if the teams are stacked against you). You need to be cunning in order to survive and a lot of types who would take to MPI can't stand the amount of competitiveness and pressure that's brought on by such a 'cut throat' way of playing where you constantly have to be on your toes and outwit your enemy (as well, being played for a 'fool' or 'owned' by another player can be a big ego-blow). MPI, by contrast is a simpler mode that is more about the strategic aspects (e.g. fortifying your position, mounting assaults, etc) and there is less pressure to perform so it can be serene or boring depending on what kind of player you are.Nielk1 wrote:Also, the whole STRAT/MPI thing in BZ2 is manufactured since the whole 1.2/1.3 thing is over and certain people just have to make conflict.