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it's nothing a creeping artillery barrage and some bulldozers can't fix.

looks like they agree with me, too:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/1 ... 55932.html

Somehow I doubt they would be called rich:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/19/opini ... ef=opinion

Israel are as much in the wrong as Palestine, if not more so.

i take everything the NYT says with a large grain of salt. they spout stuff that is always slanted to the socialist left.

if you taxed everyone in the top brackets 100% - yes, 100% - the federal deficit would only be reduced 10-14%.

it's not a case of income, it's a case of spending waaaaaaay more than they can possibly take in, but the NYT won't address that.

tax the business owners more and you can kiss whatever meaningful jobs that are here right now goodbye as they get shipped to 3rd world countries.

then the socialists will have completely wiped out the middle class with their exorbitant union wages and high government taxes and there will only be lower class panhandlers paying high taxes to support "social programs" and the rich politburo, which is the goal. i.e., the Nanny State.

Union Boss wages:
http://www.unionfacts.com/union/Bakery% ... rs#leaders

everybody loves Santa Claus - you get presents even if you don't deserve them.

Hamas/Taliban/etc. hides behind civilians when firing rockets at Israeli citizens, then they and media whine when Israel smashes them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC4h11bL ... ure=relmfu

the term "disproportionate force" is used by attackers when they are stupid and they suck.

when a mosquito bites you, you crush it.

when someone stabs you once, you don't stab them back just once and wait to see if they stab you again.

i have a novel solution to the problem, though: stop firing rockets into Israel, maybe?

http://rt.com/news/anonymous-israel-off ... eaked-002/

Silly situation gets sillier.

i have a novel solution to the problem, though: stop firing rockets into Israel, maybe?

Its not a solution, There are really only 3 solutions.
1. Israel stops its occupation.
2. Israel genocides the Palestinians .
3. Someone "destroys" Israel.
Solution 1 has not yet been tried and Israel clearly has no plans to try it.
Solutions 2 and 3 are more popular, both could quite easily happen.
2. Seems to be Israel's long term plan.
3. Could take the form of an effective Arms/economic embargo and UN enforcement, This is so unlikely to happen that it almost isn't worth mentioning.

What some nations don't seem to consider is that cheering on this sort of long term insanity-evolution will eventually result in one side or the other prevailing and then becoming a very serious problem for the rest of the world to deal with.

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MrTwosheds wrote:What some nations don't seem to consider is that cheering on this sort of long term insanity-evolution will eventually result in one side or the other prevailing and then becoming a very serious problem for the rest of the world to deal with.

Not sure about that. The reason it still is a mess there is cause the western world pretty much accepts it.
Take a look at a bunch of other countries that didnt play nice in the fairly recent history, why did the western world interfear there but does it stay away from Israel?

I think if the western world would be ok with simply shoveling the Palestinians into some hole, it would happen in an instant and very few people would actually care beyond the 'oh, you cant do that to humans, but now I need to [...] and cant be bothered with it any more'.

“Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours…Everything we don’t grab will go to them.” - Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country... behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice." - David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories.” - Benjamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.

"Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are entrapped in what Professor Nadera Shalhoub-Kevorkian of Hebrew University terms “a zone of non-existence.” In this zone, she argues, one finds “new spaces of obscenity in the politics of day-to-day lives” where engaging in normal, everyday acts of living and working - going to school, visiting neighbors, traveling abroad, planting a tree, growing vegetables and selling products in a nearby market - are treated as criminal activities, punishable, in some instances, by death. In these obscene spaces, innocent human beings - most of them, children - are slowly being poisoned by the water they drink, all with the knowledge and acquiescence of the world community."
http://thejerusalemfund.org/ht/display/ ... ls/i/36415

AHadley wrote:Israel are as much in the wrong as Palestine, if not more so.

Of course.

Charts and article.

Last time around they used a ground invasion to clear space for more settlements. Add to this, a lot of Americans were/are also racist against Middle Easterners. That really helps when dismissing the actual political situation there as "camel jockeys h8 freedom," but it comes down to money. AIPAC owns enough senators that nothing will ever happen as far as the US holding Israel accountable for any of their actions. They also like to target journalists.

When one side hides behind a wall of children and other civilians of course deaths are going to happen.

Zenophas wrote:

AHadley wrote:Israel are as much in the wrong as Palestine, if not more so.

Of course.

Charts and article.

Last time around they used a ground invasion to clear space for more settlements. Add to this, a lot of Americans were/are also racist against Middle Easterners. That really helps when dismissing the actual political situation there as "camel jockeys h8 freedom," but it comes down to money. AIPAC owns enough senators that nothing will ever happen as far as the US holding Israel accountable for any of their actions. They also like to target journalists.

That chart centre-right is damning.

When one side hides behind a wall of children and other civilians of course deaths are going to happen.

When all that remains of your nation is a couple of large densely populated residential area's it's very hard to do anything else. Personally I find the Israeli propaganda quite disgusting. They have been attacking civilians and fighters alike for years. They are perpetrating a blatant "religious"/racist war for territorial gain.

Somethings to ponder on:

Israelis in the U.S. mobilize against Gaza conflict

On the rise of Jewish fundamentalism in Israel