Presidential Debate

[Red Devil]

reminds me of the onionskin/waxpaper stuff they use in england.

[Ded10c]

Do we? Don't know which England you've visited, mate

[MrTwosheds]

One of the past, about 30 years ago it was standard issue in all public toilets. Public toilets are now so rare I couldn't really say if its still used at all.

[Ded10c]

Exactly, that should definitely not be present tense

[Red Devil]

okay, used.

that's even worse news for the ents, though...

[MrTwosheds]

Xerox got some nice equipment for efficiently logging trees off of mountains these days Red...but don't worry its usually a few years later that the landslides happen.
Vote republican! you know they won't sell you out along with the logging concessions.

[Red Devil]

i live in the middle of millions of acres of national forest and the only logging allowed is by firewood permit for dead trees.

aside: hmm, no wonder people don't like wealthy people there and embrace socialism: you want to take their land!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... cracy.html

[Ded10c]

You're still getting your news from a less-than-reliable source. Seriously, the Daily Mail is like our equivalent of Fox.

[Nielk1]

You're still getting your news from a less-than-reliable source. Seriously, the Daily Mail is like our equivalent of Fox.

So it's slanted ever so slightly the opposite way as other news, has a bunch of editorials that are labeled as such, and reports the entire set of information about the news rather than just some of it (even if it's bookended with editorials).

[MrTwosheds]

But what it says is essentially correct, we have never overcome our feudal history. This is not a land of equal opportunity. Fortunately we have a fine system of disproportionate representation that carefully prevents any unwelcome democratic reforms from ever succeeding.
One of the big problems we have now is that there just aren't enough super rich folk about who want to maintain a massive country mansion and its huge estate. So a charitable organisation has had to be set up to maintain some of them, rather than allow the land to fall into the hands of the plebs who cannot even afford to buy an ordinary little house because our government wisely hasn't allowed enough of them to be built, not even the so called socialists, who were probably too busy borrowing money so they can then give it away as Aid to poorer countries that are just not smart enough to figure out how to type another zero on the end of their own bank balance like we do.

[Ded10c]

You're still getting your news from a less-than-reliable source. Seriously, the Daily Mail is like our equivalent of Fox.

So it's slanted ever so slightly the opposite way as other news, has a bunch of editorials that are labeled as such, and reports the entire set of information about the news rather than just some of it (even if it's bookended with editorials).

Perhaps not Fox then. What's the one that's infamous for sensationalism?

[Red Devil]

msnbc is good at that.

[MrTwosheds]

i live in the middle of millions of acres of national forest and the only logging allowed is by firewood permit for dead trees.

Yes they did that in order to protect them from loggers and the politicians financed by them. That's what made them go international. Now unfortunately a similar approach is needed on an international scale. Plenty of old nations about who do know how to do sustainable forestry, if you guys find your in need of some lessons.

[Red Devil]

we have that here, planting many millions of trees every year, but that's not the real problem - it's people breeding like bunnies, creating another easter island, but on a slightly bigger scale.

[MrTwosheds]

YES! that is why it is critical that the easter Island like idiots are stopped. (Easter islands people died out primarily because they killed all their trees)
The only (western) authority capable of doing that is the government of the the USA because the corporation mainly in control of this insane resourcing strategy is an American one. It is not realistic to expect every poor developing nation to resist the dollars being waived in front of them by this organisation. Unfortunately it is a very political organisation, I expect the only thing that will stop them is the catastrophic economic collapse that will eventually result from their own activities.

Planting millions of trees is good, but if your doing it with the idea of then "efficiently" clear logging them all 100 years later, then you really have not understood the difference between a forest and a big forest fire just waiting to happen...
The whole problem with the logging approach is that it kills the other 100,000's of species that make up the forest, they are highly complex ecosystems, the composting organisms like beetles, fungus and microbe's are critical to the long term survival of a forest. They are not so easy to replant. I wish you luck with your reforestation projects and hope you have some clever people in control of it because your existing lumber industry is populated by greedy politicised idiots who think wielding a chainsaw alone is a route to riches.