Gun Ownership

Clavin12 · Post by **Clavin12** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:16 am

So he was an idiot for defending his home and family?

MrTwosheds · Post by **MrTwosheds** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:39 am

Well you've seen the video. Presumably he would be aware that he is engaged in activities that might draw the attention of the police, So when you get woken up by what sounds very much like a police raid (they are quite distinctive, I have been in one) A clever family man might reconsider grabbing his gun, a soldier however may not. All in all he made some Bad career and leisure activity choice's.
Surely it must be common wisdom in a gun owning society that if you respond to a police raid by picking up a gun, you are going to get shot.

Clavin12 · Post by **Clavin12** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:50 pm

It was my understanding that his wife woke him up and told him about the strangers out front. All the same, it should not be that way.

Ded10c · Post by **Ded10c** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:51 pm

MrTwosheds wrote:sounds very much like a police raid (they are quite distinctive, I have been in one)

Clavin12 · Post by **Clavin12** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:51 pm

How about a more definitive authority: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Guerena_shooting

In any case it was a pointless killing. He was innocent, and they killed him far too readily.

Ded10c · Post by **Ded10c** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:02 pm

They made themselves fairly obvious. He chose to pull a gun on them, he made himself a threat. They reacted appropriately. Would you wait for somebody to shoot you before you shot back?

MrTwosheds · Post by **MrTwosheds** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:23 pm

Armed officers have to make snap decisions in situations like this. Letting off grenades in the back garden does seem a little unorthodox though. Had they been attempting to detain an armed robber, murderer etc then the techniques they used may have been appropriate, using a swat team to bust someone for possessing weed... its just ridiculous. The Marijuana laws are essentially political, it is not particularly harmful or a great societal problem. It is people of one outlook oppressing those of another, this Marine is just another victim of political dogma, your jails are full of other victims of it too.

Clavin12 · Post by **Clavin12** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:39 pm

I'm not protesting the SWAT team shooting him for having a gun, as I am the SWAT team in general. Major overkill, especially for Marijuana. The guy was innocent.

Red Devil · Post by **Red Devil** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:56 pm

the underlying theme in all of this is that it's okay for the police to shoot you whenever they like, but it's not okay to protect your home and family.

this is one of the reasons the American colonies revolted against authoritarian rule and created a new form of government.

now it has devolved back into what it was before.

"submit to my authorita!"

Ded10c · Post by **Ded10c** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:49 pm

Red Devil wrote:the underlying theme in all of this is that it's okay for the police to shoot you whenever they like, but it's not okay to protect your home and family.

The underlying theme from my perspective being that it's not OK to own a gun without first jumping through a ridiculous number of very small hoops. Violent crime is much lower in the United Kingdom than it is in the States, and our gun laws are one of the major reasons. In this country, even former or inactive members of the military do not necessarily have their own firearms, let alone personal assault rifles.

Zenophas · Post by **Zenophas** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:14 pm

I learned that Kyon is a douche. I always feel ripped off when my favored character in an anime is urinated on due to another character's weird thinking.

Oh well, time to find another anime or manga to indulge my attention span with.

Clavin12 · Post by **Clavin12** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:44 pm

Any nation that will give up a little liberty to gain a little safety, deserves neither and will lose both. -Ben Franklin

Ded10c · Post by **Ded10c** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:02 pm

How ironic.

Zero Angel · Post by **Zero Angel** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:03 pm

Zenophas wrote:I learned that Kyon is a douche. I always feel ripped off when my favored character in an anime is urinated on due to another character's weird thinking.

ZA can't understood. The nice man was just giving the girl back a sheet of paper. He is a fine upstanding person of society and should not be called such crass, vulgar names.

Zenophas · Post by **Zenophas** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:12 pm

Zero Angel wrote:ZA can't understood. The nice man was just giving the girl back a sheet of paper. He is a fine upstanding person of society and should not be called such crass, vulgar names.

Actually, in the anime, the girl was really shy and had some rather fragile emotions, as well as a love interest in him. He completely disregarded this to go back to another reality that would rewrite the one that girl resides in. Thus, erasing her and replacing her with some kinda alien robot that doesn't do anything but sit and read books. Not only that, but giving a sociopath complete godly control over the world, simply because he finds it more fun for himself and doesn't consider the fact that MAYBE the world is better off normal and actually safe.

Upstanding citizen my arse.

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