Interesting Article thread II

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Post by Nielk1 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:26 pm

You are not suggesting it, we already are. Social Security is an example of a so called solution being the cause of a problem. Regulation prevents businesses from properly completing, allowing a select few to become problematic, thus allowing the government to replace them. It is a very basic and simple tactic and has never been more obvious then in its perpetration on our healthcare system. most of these skyrocketing prices are not due to a flaw in the private system, but a flaw in the regulations. The big companies get infiltrated by those with political aspirations, they bounce between jobs in these businesses and appointed and elected government positions. In so doing, they further create regulations that prevent proper competition with their business.

The huge joke here is that the government is causing all of the issues it claims to be solving, and while so doing indoctrinating the people to believe that the fault lies from a lack of government intervention.

Another obvious case of indoctrination, in case you don't believe it's real: I was taught through my entire education that it was the evil conservatives that fought against civil rights, and it was the trailblazing liberals that did all they could to help the minorities. The conservatives routinely pushed through civil rights legislation and not until the 1964 Civil Rights Act did the Dems even vote to pass it, and then still in the minority. And yet from that legislation on they have been known as the champions of civil rights?

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Post by MrTwosheds » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:09 pm

Indoctrination occurs in many ways, no argument there. I can't make very informed comment on the US healthcare sector as I have no experience of it, I only know what I hear from other US citizens. (eg a lot of people cannot afford the treatments when they actually need them, because they are ill and cannot earn)
Indoctrination in education is quite common, certainly it occurs here too, mostly I expect it is not deliberate but simply a consequence of economic/class segregation effecting the staff just as must as the students. I guess there's probably a career choice factor too, Teaching is not a great route to wealth and success, its a career choice of those who are motivated more by helping others, no surprise that the socialist tendencies predominate in that field then.
I was taught through my entire education that it was the evil conservatives that fought against civil rights,
Well I am not going to argue with you over what you were taught, and I certainly accept that the US right wingers are fairly unique in that they do stand for protecting some civil rights. In most nations conservatives usually just resist any change at all, hence the name. Usually this is highly negative in the civil rights area, as most nations do not have the benefit of an enlightened constitution like the US does.
Personally I consider environmental issues to also be one of civil rights and it is absolutely clear that the conservative position on this is still mostly negative to the point of being criminally irresponsible.
Not that the democrats will actually be much better in this area, they will just talk the talk but still not do the walk. :)
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Post by Nielk1 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:37 pm

The truth is that an informed public and unshackled businesses are the best situation, since the public would make informed decisions, and flock to new companies that rise in the shadows of the big ones doing naughty things.

We no longer have either.

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Post by MrTwosheds » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:01 am

Nothing wrong with an informed public, but personally I think the past few years have vividly shown that business need to be shackled in intelligent ways, the problem is how to get the right sort of shackles in place and how to make them globally effective. Unshackled business will clearly just lead to many industries wiping themselves out along with irreplaceable natural resources. We have seen what uncontrolled fishing does and is still doing to fish stocks and we can see what unsustainable logging is doing to the forests and biodiversity. If you really want a world where all of the limited resources have been just pointlessly wasted and turned into junk and pollution, then unshackling business is clearly an excellent way to impoverish all of us. Its time to get smart about this rather than just accelerating the orgy of resource depletion just to make a few more imaginary bucks right now. We really cannot afford to just allow market forces to put the world out of business.
Currently it looks like were running a closing down sale :)
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Post by Red Devil » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:18 am

it's the nature of power: those that don't have it - and want it - will work at taking it away from those that do.

in the case of the United States, our Constitution was set up to give the most power to the individual, then to the States, then to the Federal government - and that's just crazy talk to those who crave power.

so, relentlessly, they have slowly made their way into government and had legislation passed to take back the power - and our society has paid the price.

now our so-called representatives are representing special interests, so everything has been turned upside down, like it was before our War for Independence.

it used to be that "a man's home is his castle"; now we get police storming our homes in riot gear, tasers, and assault rifles, killing our pets and our loved ones.

it used to be that me and my brothers could walk through our neighborhood with our dad's rifles and shotguns to go target practice at the end of the road and our neighbors would think *nothing* of it.; now we would be surrounded by a swat team.

when i was a baby, my mom used to leave me out on the sidewalk in a carriage after a walk so i could finish my nap; now-a-days, i might be kidnapped and sold and my mother would be arrested and thrown in prison for child endangerment and my brothers would become wards of the state.

we let the rats in and now they are wreaking havoc.

solution:

1. throw the crooks out.
2. FAR smaller federal government/bureaucracy (MUCH lower taxes anyone??? )
3. Balanced budget REQUIRED (MUCH lower taxes anyone??? )
4. NO borrowing by the government. (MUCH lower taxes anyone??? )
5. term limits for all elected public servants
6. a sound currency

i know, just more crazy talk...
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Post by MrTwosheds » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:33 am

1. where are you thinking of throwing them too?
2.Ok
3.Nice plan
4. Entirely sensible but may conflict with the lower taxes plan.
5. why not
6. Unfortunately not really something you can just decide to have, it needs a sound economy to support it, grow some trees
and try again next century :) Get smart about the free stuff, trees are free if you grow them, Sunlights free too if you can catch it...Free stuff makes an economy strong. Difficult to tax though...
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Post by Zenophas » Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:54 am

Woman 'denied a termination' dies in hospital.

Another victim of "Pro-Life" Crusaders.

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Post by Red Devil » Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:33 am

i'm pro life but no one and no animal deserves to die in excruciating pain.
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Post by VSMIT » Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:05 am

Red Devil wrote:i'm pro life but no one and no animal deserves to die in excruciating pain.
Implying that the woman involved was not human. Nice.
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Post by MrTwosheds » Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:12 am

I didn't read it that way.
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Post by Ded10c » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:27 pm

I like the "This is a Catholic country" part. This is why religion has no place in politics.

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Post by Red Devil » Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:01 pm

it is why our founding fathers added freedom of religion to our constitution - to prevent the government from establishing a state religion/church like the church of england.
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Post by Ded10c » Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:29 pm

Despite its name, the Church of England is not the national religion. England is a majority non-affiliated country.

Funny how the Church of England doesn't influence English law, yet the Catholic Church seems to have such an impact in America, a country founded on the principle of *not* bowing to religious pressure.
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Post by Red Devil » Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:48 pm

not is; was
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