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Just about everywhere is extremely left leaning when compared to the US. Most of Europe is that way because we have lots of experience of what happens when it goes too far the other way.
There is also the distinct issue that any time a conservative is called to have done something, the media reacts wholly differently than if a liberal is accused of the exact same thing, even if the liberal has been called out with damning evidence.
Well this has something to do with hypocrisy doesn't it. If someone stands up and makes a moral stance against things a lot of people like to do, then they can expect to be taken to the cleaners when they get caught doing them themselves. The left can get away with a lot more human behaviour because they don't go round saying most of its wrong in the first place. We call this making a rod for your own back.

Loyalties, I was talking of the American politics in general rather than yourself in particular.
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Well, the movie about Licoln seems a lot more valid now:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/11/white ... 19-states/
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Well, the movie about Licoln seems a lot more valid now:
Considering the binary nature of US politics and that this is inspired by the disappointment of the losers the presidential election race, would I be correct in assuming that the states wishing to secede would be forming their own non democratic one party states? Or would they be organising their own new opposition parties? While I realise this is probably just a badly thought through political game, Americans should consider what the actual consequences of seceding might really mean for them and their cherished freedoms.
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So what are they going to call this new Nation? Suggestions Please :)
The Disunited States of America?
How about the Undemocratic Republican Republic of America? :lol:
Or the Un Socialist Southern Republic, I think that particular abbreviation is unused at the moment. :P

Seriously though, I think this is extremely unpatriotic, bordering on treason, If the USA were to divide, it would be just handing the "Leading Superpower" position over to China, probably smash Nato, the whole western Alliance and utterly alter the existing political world order. It stinks of self interest and a greed for power that cares nothing for the freedom of America.
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the best thing would be for washington, d. c. to secede from the rest of us. then we could build a big pen fence around it for the pigs.

seriously, why do we put up with a cancer that takes our money, wastes it all, then borrows trillions more and spends that, too, then expects us and our progeny to pay for what they borrowed??

madness.

this is exactly why our founding fathers made each citizen sovereign and not the government ("control of minds").
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seriously, why do we put up with a cancer that takes our money, wastes it all, then borrows trillions more and spends that, too, then expects us and our progeny to pay for what they borrowed??
You have to see it in context, this has all been brewing since the first electronic transactions occurred, that was when governments/central banks lost their traditional controls over the money supply and the financial "industry" transcended above the grubby physical restrictions of the real organic/industrial economy and political control. Governments now have little choice but to follow the yellow brick road of vast imaginary wealth to wherever it leads, all they can really do is try to guide it towards sustaining the real industrial/organic economy so that when the yellow bricks inevitably turn off into **** creek, we aren't all left with only **** to eat. It really is not a political problem at all, its a structural problem. Neither side really have any other choice but to follow the economy around while its on its acid trip and just try to keep it away from the open windows... :lol:
Be very cautious of anyone who talks of fixing it without mentioning how the "real" organic economic structure's are to be maintained and protected from hallucinogenic wealth creation. As far as I can see neither side really understands what's going on, what you should be concerned about is how much of this imagined wealth gets used to create or maintain useful lasting infrastructure and real economic inputs.
If they are not developing sustainable- energy generation/agriculture and industrial/social support infrastructure then **** creek is going to be very deep and very wide and very difficult to get out of.
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As a computer scientist I must point out that it is EASIER to control money in that form.
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no worries, he should have 9 lives...
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i know that as a socialist you are taught to blame it all on greedy capitalists, but the real problem is due to the socialists in power in gubmint here now implementing 'social' programs paid for with borrowed money instead of earned money with the goal of weakening our country by wiping out the middle class.

after that is accomplished, it's just serfs and those in power.
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Yes. What you fail to notice is that the weakening of the middle class is a consequence of totally ignoring the needs of the lower class, they need the basic mass of low order economic structures, agriculture, employment etc in order to create the wealth that feeds the middle class structures from below. If the lower is forced into dependency on the middle and upper then the natural flow of wealth generation is curtailed, the middle and lower classes both fail to generate wealth. Having the (upper) financial classes actually creating money (not wealth) via debt makes the economy appear to grow, while it is actually becoming seriously unstable instead.
It is not a question of blame, the upper are essential for enabling the maintenance of the lower economy, by investing in that economy. Exporting the lower economy to cheaper nations is like putting a tourniquet around your hands and feet(lower), then being surprised and outraged when your arms and legs(middle) stop working after a while, next comes the major heart attack and organ failure (upper).
You cannot fix the middle economy without fixing the lower economy and the upper cannot survive long without both. But its trying very hard to do so.
The gubmint responds to a downward investment deficit by implementing social care in place of a healthy wealth generating economy supported by downward investment of the upper and middle, and pays for it using an electronic debt-money creation technique, that allows the upper to avoid their responsibilities for downward investment and/or taxation and seems to be working if you look at the numbers...Meanwhile the base of your economy dies. Civilisation collapse becomes a real danger.
Its not political its structural and its process that's been happening for a very long time. There are probably smart ways out of it, but some may consider them "socialist" and therefore wrong, it is not wrong to force an economy to work properly. It is wrong to make people live off of charity or avoid their responsibilities to the rest of society.
That is what most western nations have been doing, and paying for it by just imagining more wealth rather than organising their economies in ways that actually work.
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The very basis of the USA is that the individual has responsibilities. These responsibilities go hand and hand with their freedoms. These top down systems, no matter what they are for, go against the very principle on which this country was founded. This country is supposed to be the one that does things differently, not the one that does what everyone else does. Every civilization that has tried this method has failed. Why would we be any different should we relinquish our originality and join the common path?

The only thing worse than the lies told to our children, and the children of other nations, about the dynamics of the economy, classes, race, and gender, and the way those lies are perpetuated by the ignorant.

And oh the lies. Lies like, that it is ignoring the lower class that has hurt the middle.
Lies like, it was the liberals that championed civil rights and the conservatives that were against it.
Lies like, it is our responsibility to pay for the failures of someone else.
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I am not for one minute suggesting that you follow the paths of other nations, I am speaking as much about my own nation as yours. The fact is both nations are suffering from an unproductive lower level economy, this creates the need for social security, which is both a cause of and a response to economic decline. Unless intelligent actions are embarked on to re invigorate the lower economy, the levels above it can only be dragged down by it. The whole social security, debt, money printing based economy is just an easy but very risky way of avoiding dealing with an unstable economic structure.
Your all moaning about that, but I don't see any workable alternatives being proposed.
I cannot help feeling that your response (neilk1) is actually about something somebody else said.
Lies! it is only logical that one economic strata relies on the outputs of the one below it. It cannot work any other way.
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