BZ's Mag Arena

[Apollo]

Actually Apollo, I happen to agree. You've been unnecessarily hostile for damn near five pages.

Coming from you, that's special given your past hostility that involed an admin to stop your BS attacks as a mod.

[General BlackDragon]

Okay, guess not.

[Ded10c]

Actually Apollo, I happen to agree. You've been unnecessarily hostile for damn near five pages.

Coming from you, that's special given your past hostility that involed an admin to stop your BS attacks as a mod.

Ooh, I like that. Slip a little unrelated slur in, don't bother that the context is completely wrong.

At that time I had no confirmation bar hearsay that BZE had legal distribution permission. BZU had very strong anti-piracy terms and anything seen as coming close to crossing that line was nuked with extreme prejudice. Had it been "hostility" and "BS attacks", I would have been removed from my position, don't you think? Sonic - who dealt with the issue - understood perfectly what I was doing. In fact, I was thanked for it. Given the number of times you commented on BZU about "keeping the forum safe", I would have expected you to understand erring on the side of caution on a site whose host has already obtained one warning from their host for warez linking already.

For the record not even BZE can get linked here and that has a letter of permission for being made.

BZ1 1.4 links are somehow considered warez by Cmptrwz's host because they contain a noCD method of loading.

[Apollo]

He threaten to remove your mod status for you to stop it. If you was in the right the admin wouldn't have had to interfer with what you was doing abusing your mod powers.
I never had a link to BzE cause i never offered it their nor here.
Besides BzE is the same as Bz 1.5.1 yet 1.5.1 is here, BzE is not, on the BZC forum all versions are available.
I even offered a Bz2 section so long as one of you mod it.
So who is bias?

[Ded10c]

He threaten to remove your mod status for you to stop it. If you was in the right the admin wouldn't have had to interfer with what you was doing abusing your mod powers.
I never had a link to BzE cause i never offered it their nor here.
Besides BzE is the same as Bz 1.5.1 yet 1.5.1 is here, BzE is not, on the BZC forum all versions are available.
I even offered a Bz2 section so long as one of you mod it.
So who is bias?

- You don't get access to every board. The "Mod/Admin Discussions" board had a two-page thread refining our policy on links to both of your sites, which was never put into action before the site collapsed. The thread had a post by sonic using the words "I appreciate the effort", which I remember in particular because it suprised me after the public beat-down.

- I removed links to your site because it hosted either a BZ installer or BZE. Can't remember which, this was years ago. Links to anywhere on Spock's site got that treatment, so your site got it too. Anything else would have been double-standards. Links to BZ1 were considered warez by CmptrWz's host and another infarction (a warning had been recieved before I joined the team) would have resulted in the site being shut down.

- BZE is not the same as 1.5.1 and I don't know how you can draw that conclusion. BZE is not here because you haven't put it here, and this site isn't bound by the same rules as BZU was.

- You offer a BZ2 section and BZU offered a BZ1 section. What is your point?

- I see no bias.

[Nielk1]

BzE is stand alone.
1.5 requires the base game. Or at least, it is supposed to to be legally allowed. Just like you need that letter you have for BzE to be allowed. Of course, on BZU, the host of the data refused to allow links to BzE, not the staff.

[Ded10c]

I've been looking through the old backup of BZU for quite a while now trying to find what we're discussing. Nothing so far, it may have happened after the backup was made.

[Apollo]

I never posted links to warez. The site is protected from direct access, you have to register and make 3 posts to even see the boards.

Only link i even have publicly available is Kens because i want him to get as much help testing as possible.

Spock asked Av. for approval before posting his links and you guys went nuts and banned him for it. sorry even i agree with Spock on that one.

I can tell you CmptrWz's had warez on his server, i know because a friend made it and CmptrWz's misrepresented it as a patch which confused players and we had to deal with it.

BZU deleted the Bz section when ever they felt like it, even banned the Bz mod for no reason, what did Loki do to get banned? Do you even know he's a Major corrections officer and he was treated like dirt.

BzE and 1.5 both started from the same code I provided, we even share fixes, the legal status is exactly the same for both. (and that doesn't matter if you use just the executable or all the files)

[Nielk1]

You should know was much as anyone that in the world of computers possession is not 9/10ths of the law, the license is.

You have some extremely warped logic, and you have some flat out incorrect "facts". If we call you out on it, you just shift to something else or repeat the same thing with slightly different wording. Frankly I am sick of it and I am willing to bet a lot of other people, what few even enter this section to subject themselves to you, are sick of it to.

Oh well, I am making my moves to end all legal issues, real or fake. I will probably get a lot farther than you did.

[Ded10c]

- You posted a link to a site hosting a 1.4 installer. Anything else is semantics. We were obliged to treat it in exactly the same manner as links to Spock's site, something that later led to a refining of our linking policy.

- This was never done publicly and Avatar never gave us any indication of having given approval. It doesn't matter that Spock asked for approval anyway; our warez policy was clear. It should never have been given. Even slightly questionable software was to be removed. (As an interesting point, it was not I who banned Spock. He deserved it, but another moderator did it a few hours earlier.)

- What BZU's management as a whole did and why they did it has nothing to do with our discussion here. I neither know nor care what the management did before I became a moderator. As for Loki's job... how on earth is that supposed to be relevant? So he worked in a prison. What of it?

- The BZE/1.5 thing is your opinion, and it is my opinion that it is wrong. We will never know for sure until somebody gets a lawyer in here; something I highly advise against in case everything turns out to be illegal.


Okay, can someone split this?

[Psychedelic Rhino]

Frankly I am sick of it and I am willing to bet a lot of other people, what few even enter .

Tell me who's forcing you to read the thread and come into the BZ category. Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you required to post? You're not a moderator that requires you to read it. That's why there's an off topic board. Do/did you play 1.5? Do/did you play BZE? Do you know any real history of either? Do/did you help with either?

It's just more peanut gallery participation that is pushing for another thread lock is all I see.

[Ded10c]

Frankly I am sick of it and I am willing to bet a lot of other people, what few even enter .

Tell me who's forcing you to read the thread and come into the BZ category. Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you required to post? You're not a moderator that requires you to read it. That's why there's an off topic board.

That swings both ways.

[Psychedelic Rhino]

So you see me swimming around in the BZ2 threads talking about stuff I have no clue about?

[Ded10c]

Note which part of your post I quoted.

I'd also say that owning and playing a copy of BZ1 qualifies you to post in the BZ1 section, not that such qualification is necessary. Unless you're going to do what the BZ2Maps people do and say you only have a valid opinion if you play the multiplayer every other day. I for one wouldn't complain if you decided to weigh in on discussion in the BZ2 board.

[Apollo]

You should know was much as anyone that in the world of computers possession is not 9/10ths of the law, the license is.

You have some extremely warped logic, and you have some flat out incorrect "facts". If we call you out on it, you just shift to something else or repeat the same thing with slightly different wording. Frankly I am sick of it and I am willing to bet a lot of other people, what few even enter this section to subject themselves to you, are sick of it to.

Oh well, I am making my moves to end all legal issues, real or fake. I will probably get a lot farther than you did.

Ok, i want to see the copy of the distribution licenses for all the software downloadable from links on this site.
If you do not have a license remove the links.
Your logic.

You are one of the most warped people i've meet online. I can see you have a problem, you produce no facts and are all talk, you make threats and back out in the same sentance. Why are you even in a board talking about a game you don't play, you are a troll looking for a place to happen. You don't discuss or debate, you attack and make threats. The only facts you consider is your uninformed statements.

I've already been over this with both Atari and Activision, why don't you do the same and get on the same page.