Co-op

[Zero Angel]

Modularity =/= simplicity.

Because making everything into one big blob is obviously simpler to maintain and update.

[GSH]

Same reply as before. I don't see this as an interesting or useful project, so I won't participate.

One guy at work has this posted outside his office: "Good things come to those who wait. Greater things come to those who get off their rear and make it happen."

-- GSH

[Ded10c]

Modularity =/= simplicity.

Because making everything into one big blob is obviously simpler to maintain and update.

Not what I was saying, but what I was saying is invalid anyway because I didn't see the second page.

[bigbadbogie]

Same reply as before. I don't see this as an interesting or useful project, so I won't participate.

One guy at work has this posted outside his office: "Good things come to those who wait. Greater things come to those who get off their rear and make it happen."

-- GSH

Because Mercs2 co-op was rarely used? -- "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

Besides, Battlezone is an entirely different beast. For one thing, co-op in this game is actually fun. Co-op through MPI is as 'stock' as you can get. The game was designed for it. Why can't the SP campaign be redesigned for it? The precedent is MPI.

It might also help to fix the broken SP missions if the 1.3 patch enabled co-op. As you/we/they go through writing the co-op code into the campaign dlls, fixing the broken parts of missions would not be much of a leap.

1.3 would once again eclipse all of 1.2's capabilities.

When the HD mod is finished, BZ2 could have the gameplay and graphics of a more modern game. Not that I'm planning too far ahead or anything...

The future of BZ2 could be brighter than ever imagined!

[TwinShadow]

What future? BZ2 is about as dead as it gets aside from the few dedicated strat players.

Co-op in BZ2 would be fun, but who would code the enormous amount of lines required to do the DLLs, checks, objectives, and such into an MPI-based campaign? On top of that, you also have the cinematics, the audio, etc.. to somehow string in there too. DuneCommand was a nice concept, however IMO, it failed MISERABLY.

Other than that, I honestly don't think the effort would be worth it since I don't think anyone would even take the demand and time just to do that. It'd take months probably just to get the entirety of the campaign done and tested. I'm not trying to talk down on this type of project, but there's not much of a player-base anymore to BZ2, especially with the multiplayer issues coming up again with RakNet changing something in their code.

[bigbadbogie]

What future? BZ2 is about as dead as it gets aside from the few dedicated strat players.

Possibly. But single-player will live on. That is one of the reasons that I focus on SP. People will still be able to play it in 50 years time. MP will be dead and forgotten soon, if it hasn't already been.

Single player co-op might still be used in the future.

We need to remember the unique superiority of Battlezone. It has no modern equivalent. It really is the epitome of gaming. It's the 'diamond in the rough'.

The next set of mods I'm making are an attempt to graphically modernise it.

Appealing to a new generation of gamers who would laugh at the game's original graphical capabilities is what I'm trying to do now.

Hopefully it's going to work, and pull Battlezone's arse out of the fire in the process.

This is where I think GSH should put his time and effort into. It's where all of my effort goes. This is what is going to attract new blood. It's the only thing that really matters any more. We NEED to improve the graphics, or the game dies completely.

Co-op in BZ2 would be fun, but who would code the enormous amount of lines required to do the DLLs, checks, objectives, and such into an MPI-based campaign? On top of that, you also have the cinematics, the audio, etc.. to somehow string in there too.

Easy. General BlackDragon. I'll whip him until he finishes.

According to him it's simple anyway.

[General BlackDragon]

Why did I know you were going to say that

[Ded10c]

If your retrofit mod does update the singleplayer campaign, count me in. I'd love to expand this thing properly, see what can be done with the story.

Also, the difficulty needs ramping up if you're going co-op.

[Zero Angel]

MP will be dead and forgotten soon, if it hasn't already been.

A little sample of the community of active strat players logged on at one time. This does not include the much larger amount of strat players who happen to not be logged on to teamspeak at the time; nor does it show the regular MPI players (who rarely use TS).

[Ded10c]

^ Pic is three days old, btw.

[bigbadbogie]

OK ZA, but look at practically any other game and they have thousands of players. BZ2 has comparatively few.

[bigbadbogie]

If your retrofit mod does update the singleplayer campaign, count me in. I'd love to expand this thing properly, see what can be done with the story.

Also, the difficulty needs ramping up if you're going co-op.

That might be a bit of a leap.

My main aim is to update the graphics by remaking virtually all models, textures and probably sound effects (and by stealing as much from QF2 as I can).

Actually patching the SP campaign is a whole 'nother ball game.

I'd like to see it done, but it should be part of the 1.3 patch rather than a mod.

Maybe if we did it, GSH would incorporate it into 1.3...

[Ded10c]

Well we're certainly the right people to.

[bigbadbogie]

So let me get this straight.

I'll be doing a full time uni course, making two mods and fixing and upgrading the BZ2 single player campaign?

This is a recipe for disaster.

One thing at a time gud-dummit!! Well... two.

Fine... three. But no more!!

[Ded10c]

So let me get this straight.

I'll be doing a full time uni course, making two mods and fixing and upgrading the BZ2 single player campaign?

This is a recipe for disaster.

One thing at a time gud-dummit!! Well... two.

Fine... three. But no more!!

I count three there

Also, if that third one is FS3, please consider letting others in