Page 2 of 2

Re: Corporatism vs Communism

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:21 pm
by MrTwosheds
But nobody actually does anything against officials who, against the law, refuse to marry gay-couples.
Well I can understand why a non religious person may not want to do that too. Laws should not make them do it. Gays should find people who are happy to marry them, Sexuality is a matter of choice! That includes choosing to be revolted by the choices of others.

Governments are not the powers they once were, it is a mistake to think that they can actually control what is happening.
Much of this mess is caused by the financial institutions having too much power, so much that they persuaded governments to try and bail them out of trouble. They should have been allowed to fail, evolution applies to finance just as much as it does to life. We protected failures so now we fail too.

Re: Corporatism vs Communism

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:09 pm
by Zenophas
MrTwosheds wrote:
The mutation of upper executives income compared to the average worker that has evolved in the US is what bothers me about capitalism.
I believe what you are actually seeing is a process not unlike that which has occurred in many other nations throughout history. Gradually this will naturally evolve into a hereditary class rule system, destroying the ambitious ideals of you nations birth. The privilege of extreme wealth will entrench power into genetic lines and peoples lot will once again be determined by who they are rather than what they can do.
That's pretty much already the case.

Re: Corporatism vs Communism

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:08 am
by Psychedelic Rhino
Here in the US, it's very, very rare, but occasionally something gets pushed in the right direction.

Re: Corporatism vs Communism

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:07 am
by MrTwosheds
:o
Lol. That explains a lot. Now they will have to play the not getting caught game, like everyone else.
Oh, should I mention the Paper Industry that does not grow trees again, :twisted: cos I think they're all up to their eyeballs in that scam too... I should, cos it seems to me that nobody else wants to disturb that "free money now" scam either. Indeed an awful lot of effort has gone into keeping it out of the public gaze.
God knows how the leveson inquiry has managed to conduct its work around that enormous stinking elephant corpse in that particular room.

Re: Corporatism vs Communism

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:50 am
by Nielk1
Issues in the US are caused by ignorance. Ignorance allows for mass opinion to be, quite frankly, stupid.

Re: Corporatism vs Communism

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:57 am
by Zero Angel
MrTwosheds wrote:God knows how the leveson inquiry has managed to conduct its work around that enormous stinking elephant corpse in that particular room.
From first glance that looks like an inquiry into the practice of jailbreaking your iphones.

Re: Corporatism vs Communism

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:58 am
by Ded10c
Zero Angel wrote:
MrTwosheds wrote:God knows how the leveson inquiry has managed to conduct its work around that enormous stinking elephant corpse in that particular room.
From first glance that looks like an inquiry into the practice of jailbreaking your iphones.
One of the country's largest (and most biased, most prejudiced, etc.) newspapers broke into a fair number of answerphones illegally.

Re: Corporatism vs Communism

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:19 pm
by Zenophas
Nielk1 wrote:Issues in the US are caused by ignorance. Ignorance allows for mass opinion to be, quite frankly, stupid.
I have a spraybottle full of cleaner that says that it "Kills Flu Virus". Ignorance is a marketing cornerstone, in the USA. Corps' like keeping it that way, so, they pay their gov't puppets like Walker, and other goons, to jive to the public and strip back htings like Education to perpetuate the market.

Re: Corporatism vs Communism

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:26 pm
by MrTwosheds
From first glance that looks like an inquiry into the practice of jailbreaking your iphones.
The first part will examine the culture, practices and ethics of the media. In particular, Lord Justice Leveson will examine the relationship of the press with the public, police and politicians.
Or...
Examining the relationship between press and politicians, while very carefully avoiding any discussion of the very powerful resource suppliers who enable such media empires to continue to existing by supplying them with the substance they actually sell.
No paper- no news papers- no media empire. So obviously, things, like Murdoch don't want to upset their suppliers, or their powerful friends in The Government and can easily be utilised to apply pressure on other governments to do whatever they want. Or quietly tidy up any inconvenient stories about some bunch of foreigners dying/homeless/starving/murdered while some nameless bunch of lumberjacks run off with their environment. Or publicly rubbish scientific theories that threaten their business model.
And absolutely no mention whatsoever of the inevitable consequences of all this corruption, a major collapse of the global economy at the very least, or just maybe Omnicide via environmental damage/climate change.

"Grow Your Own Trees"

Re: Corporatism vs Communism

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:48 pm
by APCs r Evil
MrTwosheds wrote:"Grow Your Own Trees"
I tried. :cry:

I had a cute little oak tree started in a plastic pot. It grew to about 6" high before someone yanked the poor little thing out. It still only had two leaves on it. I guess they thought it was a weed. :cry:

Re: Corporatism vs Communism

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:09 pm
by MrTwosheds
:D Good try, Oaks don't like pots.

"Grow Your Own Trees" is a political statement, one that gets right down to the root causes of the real problems.

Re: Corporatism vs Communism

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:01 pm
by Zenophas
APCs r Evil wrote:
MrTwosheds wrote:"Grow Your Own Trees"
I tried. :cry:

I had a cute little oak tree started in a plastic pot. It grew to about 6" high before someone yanked the poor little thing out. It still only had two leaves on it. I guess they thought it was a weed. :cry:
I planted my first tree at my first abusive home, when i was little. Several years later, when I ecided to go check it to see if it grew, apparently they new owners of the property removed it along with the nice asparagus crops I liked to harvest annually.

Kinda wen against my expectations.