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You realise that telling me your point of view is unreasonable while still maintaining it is practically the same as admitting that you are insane?MrTwosheds wrote:That just about sums up the essential problem really. Your looking for rationality in something that is essentially not rational to our planet bound evolutionary sensorium. Shrugs.
bigbadbogie wrote:I don't think that there is a difference there at all. You can't not believe in something which you consider true, therefore you must by default consider it untrue, hence disbelieve it.
Nielk1 wrote: That's the logical fallacy of False Implication, to the letter.
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The fallacy of false implication occurs when a statement, which may be clear and even true, implies that something else is true or false when it isn't.Atheists don't 'believe'. They do the exact opposite. It is anti-belief. It is a perspective which is entirely unique to Atheism. No comparison can be made with a belief.Nielk1 wrote: Even Atheists believing in something. Or more specifically, they believe that there is not something. It's still a belief, as no proof exists either way. There is no reverse implication.
Ok... I speak as a UK person. Most people I know are atheist, just by default, it isn't political in any way, I know nobody who is actively or overtly atheist in the political sense, there simply isn't the need for it here. I guess the situation may be very different in the US where the religion is still a powerful force and opposition is required. In the UK a church is mostly somewhere you go to get out of the rain and be alone...Sir, you are quite wrong.
Seriously, in recent years the Vicars usually have 3 Churches (buildings) each to look after just because they have neither the people to man them or a flock to serve.Why are you not?Nielk1 wrote:I;m the programmer BBB, why are you the one showing binary thinking?
As the leading proponent of antitheism, I'd say he probably does.MrTwosheds wrote:People like Dawkins don't really matter here. He isn't controversial or interesting.
Can't tell you how correct this is. The "atheists" here in the states are trying to push religion out, vigorously... Quite sad to be honest. I don't care about religion so long as it isn't pushed on me, or as long as someone doesn't preach it in my face for 8 hours straight. One thing you can look up is "Freedom From Religion Foundation" or something similar, they're about as nasty as they get.MrTwosheds wrote:Ok... I speak as a UK person. Most people I know are atheist, just by default, it isn't political in any way, I know nobody who is actively or overtly atheist in the political sense, there simply isn't the need for it here. I guess the situation may be very different in the US where the religion is still a powerful force and opposition is required.
You are resident in a country that is both Christian and democratic. The same is true of at least eight other countries in Europe - the oldest democracies in the world.MrTwosheds wrote:It's important to maintain the separation of church and state if you want to remain a democracy too.
Will never happen as long as religions exist. In my country the law says very clearly that politics and religion are not allowed to be mixed, yet we have political parties named as 'Christian Democrates', etc.MrTwosheds wrote:Well we have all been watching the Religions pushing their agenda's quite aggressively for some years now. I am not surprised to see organized "resistance" They have a right to their beliefs too. It's important to maintain the separation of church and state if you want to remain a democracy too.
I looked into this myself only a few weeks ago and no, that's not the case. The Christians in this country outnumber the adherents of every other faith put together.[source]MrTwosheds wrote:What's the next stage? Bankers buyout of the EU?
Were only a Christian country historically, I would guess that practicing Christians are now out numbered by adherents of other faiths. They certainly are in our Capital city.
What people say and what they do ain't the same thing.