GOP Roundup, part one

[Iron_Maiden]

So, Cain has just won the Florida straw pole in an astounding upset for Rick Perry. THe GOP crowd is large and may be growing soon. This is the first in a series of topics I will bring up as the campaign of the GOP towards dethroning Obama marches on.

My questions is, who do you think is the current leader and your persoanl favorite and why. Which do you think has the best chance at beating Obama in 2012?

Personally, I am hoping for Romney to win. I beleive him to have the know how and the open enough mind to work with democrats (just a little) to restore a more comprimising system of goverment. For a VP spot, I am hoping that Romney choses either Cain or Gingrich, both having strong experience in both buisness and goverment respectively to deal with the mess our country is in.

Et Vous?

[AcneVulgaris]

Ron Paul is the only one I'd vote for... the rest of the field is too kooky or slimy. I don't agree with him about everything, but I don't think he'd be able to do much about what we don't agree on. He WOULD be able to put a stop to all these wars and occupations that are bleeding the country dry, though, which the most important thing the next president can do.

[Timer]

Ron Paul is the only one I'd vote for... the rest of the field is too kooky or slimy. I don't agree with him about everything, but I don't think he'd be able to do much about what we don't agree on. He WOULD be able to put a stop to all these wars and occupations that are bleeding the country dry, though, which the most important thing the next president can do.

Even though Dr. Paul is looked on by many in the GOP mainstream as a certifiable kook, I would vote for him also, if he seemed to have a chance at winning................I like his take on foreign policy, "bring em home".

[Clavin12]

He may be looked upon as a kook, but he is probably the least kooky of the bunch, as he points out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy6aXR2jPL0

[Iron_Maiden]

I do like Paul but he is wrong on some critical things such as Iran and his stances on certain things like the EPA and FDA are a little off putting to me.

[VSMIT]

They all look bad.

Just sayin'.

[Clavin12]

Ron Paul looks quite good to me.

Just sayin'.

He's the most consistently constitutional of them all.

[TwinShadow]

I watched a bit of the debate when I woke up this afternoon, and from what I have seen, they all bring up good points, but some I don't agree with. The only one that seems to have any real chance, IMO, is Herman Cain. Gingrich I may not mind much either.

The two TX candidates I'm against for various reasons. Perry has done little good to our state, and we need a new Governor now. His immigration stance apparently changed since I last looked. At first he was for a fence, now he wants to be against it. Also, in-state tuition for illegals? Give me a break, they need to be booted out of the country, not be given special privileges that caters to them specifically compared to legal citizens. Hell, out-of-state tuition, they have to pay 8 times to damn price at most for college.

Ron Paul I'm also not really for him either. Though he did bring up some other points, but I think until I hear some of his other points, I think I will remain against him for the time being.

Johnson (I think?) seemed to have a bit of spunk, and basing on what I have heard so far, he might not be so bad, but can't say I'm really for him either.

Bachmann is an interesting case. She's had big support for a while, then it fell and she hasn't really been able to regain much traction. I do agree with some of her stances, so she might be able to regain a bit of traction.

Romney... hm, where to begin. Perry and Romney appear to want to duke it out, so they will probably kill themselves before the race is over, so in all likely-hood, they won't get the nomination at all. His healthcare may have been the model for the massive burden of ObamaCare. Whether or not that's true, I'm not sure, but either way, Romney is probably not the best choice for a candidate far as I can see.

Gingrich has some interesting ideas here and there on some issues that may work, but not entirely sure. There isn't a whole lot I know about him, so there isn't too much I can say right now, but he does know how to rile a crowd at least.

Now onto Cain. IMO, he may have the best shot at getting the Republican nomination as a candidate. I heard a little on his 999 Plan, and I'll do a bit of research into that when I get some time (and that fires are not a danger here), but it sounds plausible enough that it could work in the long-run. I believe only a few brought up anything of a tax reform, him being one of them. Getting rid of our current tax system for a type of fair tax may be the key to turning around our economy.

There's a couple names that escape me right now, but I don't quite favor them currently. So, at the moment, Cain gets my top vote, followed by Gingrich, and a big maybe for Bachmann.

I'm not heavy into politics, but it is something I do pay attention to occasionally. But I believe we can all agree on one thing: Obama needs to go. It'd be better if he can be impeached, but some of us know that it will never happen so long as the Senate is Democrat controlled. I do not wish to see both houses controlled by a single party, by any means. Both sides can bring up ideas that are good for the nation, however... they need to agree on things rather than bicker all the time and not get anything done.

I also firmly believe that as most candidates have mentioned, the Government programs need to go, and/or privatized. Department of Education, EPA, FDA, government subsidies, etc... They all need to go. Medicare/Medicaid should be slowly privatized to help our elderly much better than what our Government can do, as they have no business in the healthcare of our people. There are many things in Government that must be abolished, and we need to keep our rights as citizens, as dictated in the US Constitution.

On one last note, I was against the war in Iraq, and it has been a long running. I have been firmly with our troops and supporting them as much as I possibly can given my current situation, but its time I changed my stance about them staying there for a strategic purpose, and is time for them to come home. There isn't much else we can do over there, and before long, they will probably blow themselves up anyway. I know that's harsh of me, but with how things are going over there, it may happen sooner, rather than later, so its time to bring the military back here to protect our soils. At this point in time, Israel may need our help more, than most other nations in the world, considering much of the Middle East do not like us to begin with. Some do, but many do not.

tl;dr version: My vote goes to Cain, most other candidates don't appeal to me.

[Red Devil]

well, seeing how Ron Paul is the main reason the Tea Party exists and that all the other candidates are merely repeating what he has said for the past 30+ years, do you go with copycats with no backbone or do you go with the original?

[Clavin12]

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Ron Paul I'm also not really for him either. Though he did bring up some other points, but I think until I hear some of his other points, I think I will remain against him for the time being.
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People always say they disagree with him, but they never say on what or why they do. Care to elaborate?

[Psychedelic Rhino]

Ron Paul regrettably has no chance as president as I said in the last thread

But his two primary hurdles policy-wise is not wanting to tone down his two key beliefs.

One is his opposition to fiat currency the Federal Reserve provides. Paul is also a "gold standard" proponent. The other is his total isolationist view in world affairs.

Whether or not you believe those views are right or wrong, it pretty much guarantees, along with my link, that he has no chance.

[Clavin12]

I am sure that the United States is in no need of further compromise and "toning down" of beliefs. That is putting politics over what is truly right and wrong.

[Red Devil]

people believing Ron Paul is isolationist is the result of them believing the propaganda. Ron Paul believes in upholding the positions of the founding fathers, who repeatedly said that we should not interfere or become mixed up in their policies, but maintain our own. This does not mean that we shut our doors to them economically, just that we do not become involved in their domestic disputes, much like you should not become involved in the domestic life of your business clients.

as for fiat currency, i think we can all see how that is going - which is right down the tubes...

Edit: BTW, remember that big hoopla couple months ago about passing a borrowing/spending bill? Well, we run out of so-called "money" *again* this Friday if we do not borrow even more. the fact is is that we are legally broke and cannot fund $100,000,000,000,000-plus in obligations.


"Europe has a set of primary interests, which have to us none, or very remote relation. Hence, she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collusions of her friendships or enmities. "Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor, or caprice?" (George Washington's Farewell Address)

"I deem [one of] the essential principles of our government, and consequently [one] which ought to shape its administration,…peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." Thomas Jefferson-First Inaugural Address. Bergh 3:321. (1801.)

"America has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when the conflict has been for principles to which she clings....She goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own." (John Quincy Adams, Speech Delivered in Washington DC 04 July 1821)

"In the wars of European powers in matters relating to themselves we have never taken any part, nor does it comport with our policy so to do....Our policy in regard to Europe...is, not to interfere in the internal concerns of any of its powers..." (James Monroe, Monroe Doctrine)

source:
http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_ ... n%20Policy

[Ded10c]

Bear in mind that a lot has changed since the founding fathers, but they still did have a lot more sense than most people today.

[VSMIT]

That is putting politics over what is truly right and wrong.

Which, when you come right down to it, is exactly what everyone's already doing.

You do realize that the GOP was fully prepared to destroy the US economy, right?