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That is what the dems want the country to believe. The GOP wanted to apply some tough love. When do you put your foot down? 12 trillion. . .14. . .18. . .20? I was stunned it got to 10. I fully realize the GOP is not innocent in the insane escalation, but I think they have awakened from the gorging high a bit sooner.VSMIT wrote:Clavin12 wrote:You do realize that the GOP was fully prepared to destroy the US economy, right?
In agreement with you I say the government must go on a crash diet or die and be replaced. Such measures are never pleasant or appealing but they are the only hope.Red Devil wrote:uhhh, the economy is already destroyed - by the one who says others are to blame.
Actually, the very best thing that could happen is that the federal gubmint does shut down. why would we want something that wastes so much money to keep running anyways? the thing is so bloated with bureaucracy that it's like watching one of those 1600 pound people gorge themselves an all-you-can-eat buffet completely blocking the door so that no one else can eat.
Looks that way to me too.VSMIT wrote:They all look bad.
Just sayin'.
From: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22342301/ns ... cript-dec/MR. RUSSERT: Let me ask you about immigration because that's a big issue here, and there has been a profound change. Back when you ran for president, 1988, libertarian, you said, "As in our country's first 150 years, there shouldn't be any immigration policy at all. We should welcome everyone who wants to come here and work." You've changed your view.
REP. PAUL: And, and during that campaign, I remember I got into trouble with Libertarians because I said there may well be a time when immigration is like an invasion and we have to treat it differently. And I think, in one sense, with the welfare state out of control--see, my approach to immigration is somewhat different than the others. Mine is you deal with it economically. We're in worse shape now because we subsidize immigration. We give food stamps, Social Security, free medical care, free education and amnesty. So you subsidize it, and you have a mess. Our hospitals are being closed. Conditions have changed. And I think that we should have--and, and 9/11 has occurred. Why shouldn't we be looking at people coming in? So there's--this, this means that we should look at immigration differently. It's an economic issue more than anything. If our economy was in good health, I--believe me, I don't think there'd be an immigration problem. We'd be looking for workers and we would be very generous.
It makes sense to me. He's saying that because we offer so much free stuff and we make out our country as an immigration magnet it is draining our economy. Especially note the last two lines that you quoted.TwinShadow wrote:Maybe not fully against, but he does have a dumb idea about how to handle it.
Meet The Press interview, Dec. 23, 2007 by Tim Russert:
From: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22342301/ns ... cript-dec/MR. RUSSERT: Let me ask you about immigration because that's a big issue here, and there has been a profound change. Back when you ran for president, 1988, libertarian, you said, "As in our country's first 150 years, there shouldn't be any immigration policy at all. We should welcome everyone who wants to come here and work." You've changed your view.
REP. PAUL: And, and during that campaign, I remember I got into trouble with Libertarians because I said there may well be a time when immigration is like an invasion and we have to treat it differently. And I think, in one sense, with the welfare state out of control--see, my approach to immigration is somewhat different than the others. Mine is you deal with it economically. We're in worse shape now because we subsidize immigration. We give food stamps, Social Security, free medical care, free education and amnesty. So you subsidize it, and you have a mess. Our hospitals are being closed. Conditions have changed. And I think that we should have--and, and 9/11 has occurred. Why shouldn't we be looking at people coming in? So there's--this, this means that we should look at immigration differently. It's an economic issue more than anything. If our economy was in good health, I--believe me, I don't think there'd be an immigration problem. We'd be looking for workers and we would be very generous.
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