I know Kossieh is a BZ2 character, i have google when i was compared to him
But i don't found on http://battlezone.wikia.com or bzcomplex.com google result, information who say he his french...
Do you have a link to an online or bz2-dir file of his voice?
Vassili wrote:I know Kossieh is a BZ2 character, i have google when i was compared to him
But i don't found on http://battlezone.wikia.com or bzcomplex.com google result, information who say he his french...
Do you have a link to an online or bz2-dir file of his voice?
At this point, any speculation about further plot after BZ2 1.0 finished -- even FE -- is merely fan fiction. That's not necessarily a bad thing. But, it's fan fiction.
Not sure what you mean, Vassili. Only the games and official publications are anything other than fan-fiction, and even some of that is up for debate. I must remember to make a topic here so it can be discussed at some point.
The term 'fan-fiction' carries the negative connotation of 'questionable quality'.
I'd say that we're more than just 'fans' of this game. We're perhaps members of a small group who have taken it upon ourselves to claim the game extra-legally. While we may not own the legal rights to the game, we own everything else about it. This is simply because we are the last people who have any interest in it.
Battlezone was left lying around in a pile of dead games and we salvaged it. We 'own' it for that reason.
"Corporate mind" = Someone who doesn't consider anything outside of that which was created by 'official' means to be worthy of recognition.
Need I remind you that you're referring to the main man behind the 'unofficial' 1.3 patches.
"You think that you can wipe out an entire civilisation without consequences?" - Rachel
This is why I apply an expanded universe system to BZ2. As with most expanded universe stories, there are often situations where expanded media conflict with the official and with each other. We can't get canon, so fanon is the best we can get - that's not to say it's damn good.
Even the collective communities can't agree on which official sources are to be counted as canon. Seems to me that proclaiming anything else unofficial canon is somewhat akin to walking before we can run.
Need I remind you that you're referring to the main man behind the 'unofficial' 1.3 patches.
You don't need, that was my point.
So if FE and others are fan-fiction let's start to call the 1.3 a fan-fiction too; yes GSH have participate to do BZ2, but he are not the Pandemic studios entity.
AHadley wrote:Even the collective communities can't agree on which official sources are to be counted as canon. Seems to me that proclaiming anything else unofficial canon is somewhat akin to walking before we can run.
We have two options; we can proclaim that all fanfic is canon - even the contradictory parts (channel the bible), or we can proclaim that no fanfic is canon.
I'd prefer to say that it all is. It is a nicer feeling.
"You think that you can wipe out an entire civilisation without consequences?" - Rachel
Vassili wrote:So if FE and others are fan-fiction let's start to call the 1.3 a fan-fiction too; yes GSH have participate to do BZ2, but he are not the Pandemic studios entity.
1.3 doesn't contain any new narrative. It's not fan-fiction because it's not fiction to begin with.
bigbadbogie wrote:I'd prefer to say that it all is. It is a nicer feeling.
Despite the conflicts? One story says one thing, another says something else - what then?
By the way, I've had massive discussions with Dx over whether 1.3 and 1.5 are patches or mods. The definition of the term doesn't specify that it must be by the original developer.
AHadley wrote:Despite the conflicts? One story says one thing, another says something else - what then?
Then we have 'different interpretations'. Where does it say in the rulebook that they all have to fit perfectly? This isn't a scientific experiment where the slightest problem is confounding, it's a narrative. Just about every story imaginable contains some measure of contradiction, even if only by accident. In our case, we are all writing parts of a narrative independently and trying our best to fit that narrative with everybody else's. It's never going to be perfect. It's just impossible to achieve a perfect fit in practice. What we can do is minimise the contradictions as best we can, while allowing some room for imperfection. Otherwise, we'll spend too much time stressing about small flaws when we could be writing and creating fantastic new material.
"You think that you can wipe out an entire civilisation without consequences?" - Rachel
bigbadbogie wrote:Then we have 'different interpretations'.
When the contradiction is explicit in two materials you have decided are both canon as far as you're concerned, you'll have difficulty getting that to work. Are you trying to say that, since the possibility of such contradiction is there, we should simply stop trying to avoid it?
A few choice mistakes and plot holes for you, just to indicate the kinds of problems they can cause:
- Was biometal discovered during the Bering Strait meteor shower in 1952, or by Jon Beardsly in 1940?
- Was first contact between the NSDF and CCA in 1947 or 1969?
- If Manson joined the ISDF in 1980, how could he fight in the Scion Exodus of 1979?
- The NSDF and CCA were allied when they first discovered Achilles, so why are they fighting on the surface?
- Why are CCA and Fury forces shown working together on Luna, Mars and Europa?
- Why don't the Black Dogs hear about the Furies or the the CCA and NSDF working together if Omega Squadron were on Titan fighting the Furies?
- The Black Dogs decide they need to tell the people of Earth about the CCA and NSDF immediately, so first they destroy a CCA tank, chase down a CCA force and capture some relics in the wrong end of the solar system.
Understandable GSH. However, just out of context, what would you have done as a continuation if it was made? Where would it lead, what options would be available?
