Interesting article thread

[Nielk1]

And this guy is running for president?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/2 ... ref=travel

I've gotten more info on this, it was a joke.

Here is a quote, granted, its been shortened so it doesn't show the full effect.

"I appreciated the fact that she is on the ground, safe and sound," he said, according to the Los Angeles Times. "And I don't think she knows just how worried some of us were. When you have a fire in an aircraft, there's no place to go, exactly, there's no — and you can't find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don't open. I don't know why they don't do that. It's a real problem. So it's very dangerous. And she was choking and rubbing her eyes. Fortunately, there was enough oxygen for the pilot and copilot to make a safe landing in Denver. But she's safe and sound."

[RubiconAlpha]

Is your world also flat and only 6000 years old?
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Even the crazy ones running this year had some core belief in something. Romney only believes he is worthy (or entitled) to run the country.
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Is yours? You can't even see past the crap to the real issues.

Romney has points on the economy, on foreign policy, on states rights, on energy, on the environment, etc. Do you know any of them? Probably not.

Don't worry Nielk1, I am well informed and just happen to disagree with you on a great many things.

Romney may have some strengths, but so far, he seems out of his depth as a candidate. If you cannot run a campaign, how can he run a country? At least he has millionaires and billionaires to keep it funded.

I don't buy into all this crap about how the "media" is painting Romney in a bad light.

One, he's not good at being funny as this seems to be the "excuse of the week" repeatedly and fails to connect with anyone outside the bubble of Obama haters.

Two, what is he hiding. His constant "just trust me" line is wearing thin. I don't trust anyone that thinks I should just trust him to tell me the "full" details of "how" he will fix things only after the election.

You seem passionate about this so I'll drop the subject since nothing I write will change your mind in the slightest nor was that my intent.

I just get sick of reading only one side of this argument on this forum. Just wanted our international readers to know not everyone here watches or believes the stuff Fox News or Rush Limbaugh talks about all day.

Go on living in your world, I'll live in mine and yes, I vote.

[Nielk1]

Romney may have some strengths, but so far, he seems out of his depth as a candidate. If you cannot run a campaign, how can he run a country? At least he has millionaires and billionaires to keep it funded.

Why do people always feel the need to mention how much money someone has, as if they are trying to say something without saying it. A cabinet is supposed to help a president make major political decisions.

I don't buy into all this crap about how the "media" is painting Romney in a bad light.

You don't find the complete lack of news for the other candidate a bit odd at least?

One, he's not good at being funny as this seems to be the "excuse of the week" repeatedly and fails to connect with anyone outside the bubble of Obama haters.

Which if you look at polls is just under half the country.

Two, what is he hiding. His constant "just trust me" line is wearing thin. I don't trust anyone that thinks I should just trust him to tell me the "full" details of "how" he will fix things only after the election.

He isn't hiding anything? He has detailed plans all out in public eyes.

You seem passionate about this so I'll drop the subject since nothing I write will change your mind in the slightest nor was that my intent.

I'm not passionate so much as I find the state of our country abysmal. People are tricked by such petty things. When I vote, I vote based off a checklist, where I determine which candidate says he is going to do the most things I want, or I at least think are proper, while also weighing their past actions. I could end up voting Dem, Rep, or any other party at any moment and my ballets are often highly mixed. It probably won't be this time.

I just get sick of reading only one side of this argument on this forum. Just wanted our international readers to know not everyone here watches or believes the stuff Fox News or Rush Limbaugh talks about all day.

What the **** are you talking about. We have like 50/50 Conservative/Liberals here, RD is ultra con and posts a lot, so is that making the illusion?

Go on living in your world, I'll live in mine and yes, I vote.

We live in the same world. For the love of god, please, look into what you believe to see if it is in fact the truth. If it is, use the evidence to convince others, if it is not, reflect on it.

[Ded10c]

Party loyalty never did anyone any good.

[Iron_Maiden]

The show must go on!:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/d ... -1.1168528

[MrTwosheds]

Why do people always feel the need to mention how much money someone has

Because down at the bottom of the pile, it is not uncommon for people to make their money though theft or other criminal activities. It does not become less common further up the pile.
Just out of curiosity, cos I don't know, how did he make his money?

[Zenophas]

Why do people always feel the need to mention how much money someone has

Because down at the bottom of the pile, it is not uncommon for people to make their money though theft or other criminal activities. It does not become less common further up the pile.
Just out of curiosity, cos I don't know, how did he make his money?

Human trafficking and drug cartels.

[MrTwosheds]

Hmmm, Wikipedia implies he is the son of a politician, who worked in... management consulting...
The prosecution rests its case.


This is going to be worse than GW Bush! A Management Consultant!!! are you all out of your minds? Can't you find an Honest Criminal somewhere? or a Lawyer? or Sadams dog? or a Vampire even? anyone, This is Insanity!

[Nielk1]

The record of what he actually did is publicly available. It is his claim as to why he would know WTF he is doing economically after all.

The bottom line to everything is always "LOOK FOR YOURSELF" and "STOP BELIEVING EVERYTHING SHOVELED AT YOU". The problem is it is so much easier to sit on your ass and consume the points already made from fictitious or incorrect data.

I mean, hell, even the NEWS does it. Instead of doing original research, they just echo the same thing another news outlet said. This results in the mass reporting that Romney doesn't know how airplanes work. He told a joke, and one news outlet spun it as idiocy, and then every other one just ran with it out of shear laziness.

Everyone, get off your **** asses. Get up, learn, exercise, exist as a functional member of society. Lord knows we can't afford all of you on disability when you inevitably reach the point of obesity where people aren't even allowed to call you fat so you won't even ahve the social pressure to fix your damn self.

Human race going down the damn drain.

[Red Devil]

the people in england/europe tend to be socialists - i.e. utopians - so they have been indoctrinated with the party line that people who are capitalists and make/have money are necessarily baaad people.

them living in a nanny state also explains why they enjoy having their wages taken from them by ridiculous tax rates to buy things for others who don't deserve them.

making/keeping them poor further reinforces the party line that people with money are the enemy.

"We are the Nanny State and we know what's best for us! uh, *cough*, you!"

[Ded10c]

I don't think you realise what a sweeping and insulting generalisation that is. I certainly hope you don't, anyway. It seems the popular American view of Europe is extremely blinkered.

[Red Devil]

hey, if you guys can do it, so can we :-p

[MrTwosheds]

Quite wrong Red. Try reading that Bible again. Britain has always been capitalist, capitalism forms and defines our social structure at every level, Having money does not make people bad, but they can do that to themselves when they let greed dominate their thinking.
Britain has also been Christian for quite a long time, it is this more than anything else that informs our views on those who hoard wealth. Its no good blaming some fictional "socialist" movement for an outlook that is in fact clearly created by the teachings of a religion. The historical facts are very clear, socialism is created very late in this history, as an attempt to bring society into line with Christian teachings that had been going on for centuries. Of course it failed, just as Christianity failed to achieve any lasting change in human behaviour. That is why it teaches about it! because its "saviour" realised that this aspect of Human nature would not be changed, and could only be changed for each individual.
The simple fact is, that the onus is on the wealthy to prove they are also fit people to hold their privileged position in society.
When they come to think it is theirs by right, is when the problems start.

The growing "wealth divide" is a measurement of the failure of the Christian faith.

[Ded10c]

hey, if you guys can do it, so can we :-p

Yours was a "People in europe are". Ours was a "To the outside, you look like". Note the (distinct) difference.

[MrTwosheds]

Indeed the very creation of America is another expression of that Christian socialism, its rejection of our King's and Lords and their culture of entitlement is probably its most powerful expression. You will only defend it by recognising what it was that caused it to come into being. Centuries of inherited wealth and power being selfishly defended and denied to the "others".
History repeats itself and people don't change. Divide a nation into Us and Them and create a new hierarchy, new Lords, new Kings and the poor they live off of. Sound familiar at all?