Time, Mass, Energy, Perception vs. Reality, etc.

Ded10c · Post by **Ded10c** » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:33 pm

Anything scientifically viable is fairly logical

Red Devil · Post by **Red Devil** » Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:17 am

if we come from primordial ooze, explain ghosts and why my spirit can leave my body.

MrTwosheds · Post by **MrTwosheds** » Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:02 am

Pay us a visit next time your out

Zenophas · Post by **Zenophas** » Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:14 am

The fact that I'm posting here is proof that astral projection doesn't exist.

Psychedelic Rhino · Post by **Psychedelic Rhino** » Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:07 am

Red Devil wrote:if we come from primordial ooze, explain ghosts and why my spirit can leave my body.

The answer grasshopper . . . is profound.

Our species has now been allowed to discover the bridge to another plane of existence as we have begun the final phase of humanity with our machines. With our new intelligence,THIS compound will allow us to communicate with the great sea of past humanity now beyond our grasp that occupy what we refer to as the realm of dark matter and energy.

Red Devil · Post by **Red Devil** » Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:10 pm

allowed by what or whom?

wait...the answer to the universe is....flubber?

Nielk1 · Post by **Nielk1** » Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:32 pm

Red Devil wrote:understanding how things work is not the same as understanding why they work. i know you are limited by your philosophies of, "if i can't see it, touch it, smell it, hear it, it doesn't exist!", but there comes a point - or there will come a point - when you realize that you are not sufficient to the task.

imagine you are a caveman and someone leaves a flashlight for you to find. you might smash it or you might accidentally turn it on. you might figure out how to unscrew it and find the batteries inside and remove/replace the light bulb and play with it until you figure out how it operates, but you don't know - nor can you know - why it works.

it's the same now as that example: you don't have the capacity. you may fool yourselves in your vanity and believe that logic will lead you to your answer(s), but there are things beyond your comprehension that no logic will explain.

RD, you are literally lying about what I believe. For example, things I cannot touch, smell, or hear do in fact exist. What about the structures so small they are imperceptible and can only be shown to exist through extrapolated math, or objects existing at the quantum state where the act of observation, of experiencing them, makes them not in that state. that would mean that I would have to not believe that state even exists.

Clearly, you are limited by your philosophies, where rather than wanting to understand things you can just brush them off as 'god's work'. That makes you insufficient for 'the task'. You attack people because they simple do not believe and then you go after the scientific process likening it to a caveman using a flashlight. The entire metaphor is facetious at best and you should be ashamed for even trying to use it to make your flawed point. It is your vanity in your ideas that makes you believe that only you are correct, where someone who used logic and science accepts when they are wrong and makes changes to their theories.

Frankly the method in which you go about these topics is disgusting, and I have backed up this post in case you decide to remove this perfectly valid argument and observation.

Zenophas · Post by **Zenophas** » Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:43 pm

Red Devil wrote:allowed by what or whom?

wait...the answer to the universe is....flubber?

Quit ****' trolling, thank you.

Red Devil · Post by **Red Devil** » Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:48 pm

sorry, i forgot that you are better than the rest of us...

QFT, yet another theory/guessing

Psychedelic Rhino · Post by **Psychedelic Rhino** » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:01 pm

It's merely the S.T.E.M. hypothesis.

It's well worth 2 minutes if you've never heard of it.

Zenophas · Post by **Zenophas** » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:07 pm

Psychedelic Rhino wrote:It's merely the S.T.E.M. hypothesis.

It's well worth 2 minutes if you've never heard of it.

I like that. Though, wouldn't a black hole kill anyone that travels into it?

Ded10c · Post by **Ded10c** » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:35 pm

Red Devil wrote:sorry, i forgot that you are better than the rest of us...

Fundamentally so.

Psychedelic Rhino · Post by **Psychedelic Rhino** » Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:12 pm

Zenophas wrote:I like that. Though, wouldn't a black hole kill anyone that travels into it?

My conjecture from following the premise of those who study the cross between the meta-physical (the good ol' wave-function collapse phenomenon) and the current technology curve, is he means humanity finding a link into the realm of dark matter and energy at quantum-scale states of energy that are manageable.

MrTwosheds · Post by **MrTwosheds** » Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:59 pm

I like that. Though, wouldn't a black hole kill anyone that travels into it?

I think the guy in the video got a bit carried away towards the end...Transcendation, in the world of science fiction, is where a race or entire ecosystem alters its fundamental nature to such an extent that they no longer have an apparent presence in the physical universe. The obvious analogy with good ol fashioned religion is not coincidental. Just the same old story, different words, new cover and marketing strategy...

Psychedelic Rhino · Post by **Psychedelic Rhino** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:06 am

MrTwosheds wrote: The obvious analogy with good ol fashioned religion is not coincidental. Just the same old story, different words, new cover and marketing strategy...

I would argue this is fundamentally different. Old religions are not based on the scientific method and strive to keep the belief system locked down, with as little interpretation as possible, and with minimal new discovery or information.

S.T.E.M. is absolutely conjecture, but it's based on deep analysis of what could develop if the wide spectrum law of accelerating returns continues. I believe the asymptote began around 1940 and will flatten into the vertical around 2040, changes beyond belief are within a decade or two. Incomprehension in three.

And for those who believe it's merely Moore's Law following the curve, they are greatly misinformed. If you consider Kurzweil's work to be honest and valid, it is only a matter of matching a date to most any processing capability you desire. So far mankind's technology has followed the curve with minimal deviation.

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