SABOTAGE! Eliminating it possible or not?

[MrTwosheds]

Feared_1's name is frequently used as a cloak by the usual suspects. Nobody is immune to being impostered by those with no respect for their fellow players. The name of a competent strat player is much better cover for getting into games that would not otherwise let you in, a proxy, another known players name and permanent bans mean nothing. It is very much a mistake to see this issue as strat vs Mpi, it is really just those with no respect vs the rest of the community. Griefing is just a side effect of them not being able to get a strat game together at that point in time. They are waiting for other players, an Mpi game ended might produce some.
Oh yeah I understand this "Muffin" is not the old Muffin many of us played with...Its just another name borrowed by some nobody for its reputation as a known bz2 player.

[Red Spot]

Doesnt hold up when it is his IP that gets pasted on your screen.

[MrTwosheds]

I wasn't making a defense, I am simply telling you what I have seen. I wouldn't know F1's ip anyway. Never had a reason to take note of it.
Of course nobody has a monopoly on being an ass in game I have sniped my share of Mpi Commanders who left me standing around without a ship for far too long...its all part of the game. If they really are that bad I soon learn to not join in the first place.
A persistent habit of deliberately ruining other peoples games is a different matter. It drives people away from the game.

[Feared_1]

Doesnt hold up when it is his IP that gets pasted on your screen.

Post the IP, sir.

[Red Spot]

A persistent habit of deliberately ruining other peoples games is a different matter. It drives people away from the game.

Telling people they are wrong when they speak out of personal experience when they only wants certain individuals to stay away from the 'kids' in our community does so as well. It has already driven away several children. And the worst thing is that those who tend to be online the least feel a need to defend the griefers.
It truelly is a sad state our community is in.

Doesnt hold up when it is his IP that gets pasted on your screen.

Post the IP, sir.

Read my reply on BZ2Maps, there is no need to say the same on both fora. I am not going to humor you, you know exactly were you where at the time.

[Feared_1]

Alright, buddy.

[Ded10c]

Attempts to shift the burden of proof only serve to weaken your argument.

[Red Spot]

"You might believe me, but it's true because I know it is" ain't gonna cut it. I also find it hard to see F1 as one of the perpetrators. Like GSH said, names are useless without IPs to back them up (better still, names to back the IPs up).

Attempts to shift the burden of proof only serve to weaken your argument.

^First person ever I put on a foelist.
Good luck trying to grief me following my behaviour on BZ2Maps, while critizing me for it.
I dont care for you continious unwanted mixing into every discussion and than trying to gain some respect from me through PM about some personal issues you claim to have.

[Nielk1]

"You might believe me, but it's true because I know it is" ain't gonna cut it. I also find it hard to see F1 as one of the perpetrators. Like GSH said, names are useless without IPs to back them up (better still, names to back the IPs up).

Attempts to shift the burden of proof only serve to weaken your argument.

^First person ever I put on a foelist.
Good luck trying to grief me following my behaviour on BZ2Maps, while critizing me for it.
I dont care for you continious unwanted mixing into every discussion and than trying to gain some respect from me through PM about some personal issues you claim to have.

I'm going to say what everyone reading this is thinking.

Redspot, what the **** are you talking about?

[GSH]

I've seen no actual evidence from anyone this thread. All involved, take personal attacks elsewhere, or face thread splits/locking and/or board warnings.

-- GSH