Bin Laden.

[MrTwosheds]

What I am saying, is that a digital document, is not and cannot be evidence of anything in this respect. It is meaningless. If they want to tamper with it they can.

We have all the same problems with our political system AND they just got us to vote to keep it that way...
We had a referendum, the first time in my life when I have actually been asked my opinion by our government, a vote to change our electoral system, between "first past the post" and "alternative vote" both sides of our political hegemony encouraged us to keep the existing system, the one that has kept them both in power for years and fails to represent the majority in any way. We were NOT asked if we would like proportional representation...
And you know what? most people didn't bother to go, the idiots who support both sides of the hegemony did, so now were stuck with the system that keeps them in power even though just about everyone hates them both!
They will not ask us again!
Excuse my language, but I have to say this now. UK electorate, you are a bunch of stupid WANKERS! you don't deserve any better than the corrupt, self serving ****'s we have always had.

[Psychedelic Rhino]

I am in agreement with Neilk1 on this one.

The White House has stated several times the birth certificate was simply scanned and passed along. That is simply not true.

As several forensic entities have said, "If the W.H. had said the document was 'enhanced for clarity', that would be its own issue, but not nearly the issue of saying it was simply scanned and passed on to the public."

Now. . .it was probably enhanced for clarity, and some dimwit pulled a major boner of denying it.

I think we expect those in the upper echelons of government and the corporate elite to be on the leading edge of intelligence and technology. When they are not, we get a little befuddled.

[VSMIT]

This is the sorry state of our nation, when we (as a nation) are more interested in what's up with our president's birth certificate than what's going on in a war we started.

[Psychedelic Rhino]

This is the sorry state of our nation, when we (as a nation) are more interested in what's up with our president's birth certificate than what's going on in a war we started.

I think the general analogous response to that is; 'We can walk and chew gum at the same time.'

As to "starting the war", you mean with Iraq or al-Qaida? . . . if Bin Laden/al-Qaida, I think bringing down two towers, bombing the USS Cole, multiple embassy bombings, etc, etc, could be argued, like WWII, we are finishing what they/he started.

[AcneVulgaris]

Even the original birth certificate was a forgery. Mama Obama smuggled it into the birthing room with her, and replaced the real Kenyan birth certificate with her forgery, all those years ago. She ate the original birth certificate, which gave her internal paper cuts that never healed and led to her untimely demise. Obama cannot prove his citizenship. It's simply not possible.

The space people were watching from orbit, though. They have video. They travel through time, so they knew it was important to collect evidence. They are transmitting the video to a plastic flamingo in my yard, and when the download is complete he will peck the data out on punch cards that I will read optically to construct the video.

The truth is out there, and it's being downloaded into my plastic yard flamingo.

[Ded10c]

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That was doomed from the start... the Conservatives funding the "No" campaign, which was full of lies, and the "Yes" campaign barely funded at all. AV may not be the best system, but it's better than FptP.

The best system is Direct Democracy. Referendums on everything. Hugely expensive, but also the fairest.

[Clavin12]

The best system is a benevolent dictatorship in which the ruler knows exactly what needs to be done.

[Psychedelic Rhino]

The best system is a benevolent dictatorship in which the ruler knows exactly what needs to be done.

That's the problem, "...what needs to be done" is the subjective aspect that causes turmoil.

[Nielk1]

A pure democracy falls to the stupidity of the majority. And let's face it, a lot of people are stupid as hell.

[Clavin12]

BFT: Note that I did not say "what the people want" I said "what needs to be done". Being a dictatorship no one could dispute it. Unfortunately no such incorruptible dictator exists.

[Psychedelic Rhino]

One groups needs may be seen by others as total waste.

As to finding an incorruptible dictator, there's always me to consider.

[Clavin12]

There is always a best thing to do. The majority of people just don't know what it is.

[FallenAngel]

To Do List:

Bin Laden Justice. . . check.

[Red Spot]

This is the sorry state of our nation, when we (as a nation) are more interested in what's up with our president's birth certificate than what's going on in a war we started.

I think the general analogous response to that is; 'We can walk and chew gum at the same time.'

As to "starting the war", you mean with Iraq or al-Qaida? . . . if Bin Laden/al-Qaida, I think bringing down two towers, bombing the USS Cole, multiple embassy bombings, etc, etc, could be argued, like WWII, we are finishing what they/he started.

http://marxistupdate.blogspot.com/2011/ ... on-of.html
Nice read

"For starters, there are bin Laden’s years of service to the CIA, which employed him and his followers in the 1980s during the U.S. war to bring down the pro-socialist, secular government in Afghanistan. Since 2001, U.S. forces have been back in Afghanistan fighting against “enemies” Washington created. The U.S. establishment wants that part of bin Laden’s résumé forgotten.

Then there is the question of his relations with the Saudi monarchy, which is very tight with the oil-soaked U.S. ruling class, especially the Bush family and its two U.S. presidents, George H.W. Bush and his son. What might bin Laden have revealed about the secret deals they made over Iraq and its oil, for example?

And there is the question of 9/11 itself. One would think that would have been a prosecutor’s dream — to try bin Laden for the deaths at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. But no. They quickly finished him off — and with him any attempts to clarify the many lingering questions.

The capitalist media — just about all of them — are dutifully whipping up a triumphal, celebratory mood around this strange denouement. It can’t last. Once the march-in-lockstep hoopla is over, the questions must come creeping out of their temporary hiding places.

Whatever bin Laden may have been guilty of, how much bigger are the crimes that can be traced to those who hunted him? Not just buildings full of people but whole countries in the region have been blown up, knocked down and made unlivable by U.S. bombs. Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, now Libya — all have suffered merciless attacks that have left villages and even whole cities destroyed, their people blown apart, rounded up and tortured, or left to slowly die or suffer from their wounds, hunger and thirst.

What have all these wars — in the name of fighting terrorism — done but produce more anger and more willingness of the invaded peoples to sacrifice everything fighting the powers that drop sudden death from the skies?

But the biggest crime is that it all has been done for money. All the patriotic bluster, the “Mission Accomplished” bragging, is hype. The winners are not the 9/11 families and survivors, and certainly not the soldiers. They’re lucky to get health care or a job, if they come back. The winners are the billionaire pack who, at the end of the day, have tripled their investments in oil, armaments and private rent-a-mercenary companies.

These are capitalist wars, pure and simple. Coming from a wealthy Saudi family, bin Laden must have known a lot about who made deals for what. He had to be rubbed out."

[Nielk1]

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We get it, you hate America, stop trying to flame us. This is what, your 10th post in recent months that gives that err? It is a pattern and I would say pretty much all of us, Americans or otherwise, are far above such pitiful provocations.

A trial for Bin Lad would have been a circus ending with him being better treated than Americans OUT of prison. Hell, anyone in American prison would kill (again) to be treated like those whom were at Gitmo. (Interrogated in a big comfy chair for one, many others I don't feel like digging into.)